It's amusing to see someone telling the designer and implementer of a language that he has put decades of effort into that "it's not a bad language".

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WalterBright 21 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I often hear a lot worse :-) No worries, it doesn't bother me. What pleases me are the people who use D, like it, and tell me they make more money using D because D is much more productive to write code in.

D also attracts expert programmers who are very comfortable using the GC when appropriate, stack allocation when appropriate, malloc/free, even ref counting. These are just tools in the toolbox, like I use socket wrenches, end wrenches, box wrenches, crow foot wrenches, pipe wrenches, monkey wrenches, etc. I don't try to use socket wrenches for everything.

BTW, the GC makes managing memory in compile time function execution trivial. Something that non-GC languages struggle with.

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dataflow 19 hours ago | parent [-]

> What pleases me are the people who use D, like it, and tell me they make more money using D because D is much more productive to write code in.

I guess what I've been trying to say is that you would find yourself pleased much, much more often (and D being much more successful) if you recognized and addressed these high-level issues that people have been pointing out for decades, instead of denying them and going on forums telling customers why their expectations are wrong or unnecessary. I'm saying this because D really is a great piece of technology that got a lot of things right, except a few crucial details for some of the most crucial users. And it has had so much potential - potential that has been gradually lost largely because you haven't even recognized the flaws and hurdles that come with it.

It remind me of the infamous Dropbox comment. It's as if you invented FTP, but then whenever people told you it's hard to store & share files, you kept insisting that it's trivial with just a few simple steps on Linux, completely missing the massive market opportunity and the barriers you're telling people to walk through. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9224

And I'm not saying all this out of out hate for D, but out of (at least past) love for it. I desperately wanted to see it succeed, but I gave up because I realized you simply did not see the Achilles heel that frustrates many of its users and that has held back its potential.

	▲	WalterBright 14 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Anyone is free to propose things for D, we have a process for it, or you can just post your idea in the D forum. Many do. You don't have to sit back and hope someone else does it.

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tialaramex a day ago | parent | prev [-]

It's better than the feedback I would have for, to give an example, Bjarne Stroustrup. Bjarne has spent so far as I can tell almost all of his adult life on C++. It's a huge bloated mess, and though there are many other guilty parties I don't think I can even say he was a good influence.

	▲	jibal 5 hours ago \| parent [-]
		You and Dataflow seem to have no idea how the real world works.