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> Pendulum has swung too far to the left, while the best long term place is as usually somewhere in the middle (which would still be extreme left by US standards but who cares about that)."

Is there an EU state government where a left-wing party has the majority? I can't think of one, certainly not one of the bigger countries in EU like Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Poland...*

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hibikir a day ago | parent | next [-]

So PSOE, the ones with a rose in their logo aren't left enough for you? They have a coalition with some parties that are quite a bit further left too.

	▲	shafyy 10 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Ok yes, let's count Spain. But this still is a blimp compared to the whole of EU, and certainly does not warrant saying "Pendulum has swung too far to the left"

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FirmwareBurner a day ago | parent | prev [-]

>Is there an EU state government where a left-wing party has the majority? I can't think of one,

A single party? No. But a coalition to form a leftist majority, yes.

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asimovfan a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

can you please talk more about the socialism that is prevalent in the EU? what do you exactly mean by "hard focus on socialism"?

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BlueTemplar 21 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

In Europe, "hard focus on socialism" would mean something akin to the USSR.

I am not aware of any party that could hope to win elections in their county pushing for anything close to this ?

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mschuster91 a day ago | parent | prev [-]

> US has trump and I see no end of US anytime soon, sure some self-harm is happening right now but thats about it, that nation is stronger than that.

That remains to be seen. Trump and his goons are breaking apart the foundations of society as we speak, not to mention the decades of Republican gerrymandering. The complete and utter loss of trust in the US on the geopolitical stage is another huge issue, it will be a long time before Europe or Southern America trust the US again - the hope that Trump would be a short-term one-off event went out the window last year.

> Compared to hard focus on socialism that was (and still is) prevalent in EU, some better balance is required in these times.

Where outside of Spain does Europe actually have socialists even as part of the government?

Most countries here are run by the far-right (e.g. Italy, Hungary, Slovakia, the Netherlands), centrists/conservatives (Germany, Poland, Croatia), Social Democrats, neoliberals (France) or coalitions of these.

> Nah I am not worried about [Russia], they are consistently unable to wage modern war to benefit of us all.

Never underestimate the willingness of Russian leaders to sacrifice their population for meat-grinder wars.

> In the meantime we arm and train ourselves, stronger Europe is always better for any future scenario, internally and externally.

Agreed, the problem is we can't be arsed to actually evolve to a truly federal society anywhere close to the US. Economically there has been a lot of integration happening, but politically... oh that's one hell of a clusterfuck.

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tromp a day ago | parent [-]

> run by the far-right (e.g. Italy, Hungary, Slovakia, the Netherlands),

Since the far right PVV stepped out of the Dutch governing coalition, they should now be placed with the centrists/conservatives.

	▲	mschuster91 a day ago \| parent [-]
		Let's wait and see what happens over there with the upcoming elections, and VVD isn't centrist IMHO but center-right. The voters of Wilders aren't gone, there's still a sizable far-right potential that leads the other partys to follow Wilders (the same problem as in France or Italy, it doesn't work to copy the far-right, it only makes them stronger while eventually the democratic parties erode).