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Hikikomori 6 months ago

I asked for fresh hasbara.

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UltraSane 6 months ago | parent [-]

Labeling arguments as 'hasbara' is just a way to avoid addressing the historical facts I've presented.

Do you dispute that Jews legally purchased land during the Ottoman period?

Do you dispute that the 1947 UN partition was rejected by Arab leadership?

Do you dispute that five Arab armies invaded in 1948?

Which specific historical claim do you think is incorrect?

Using "hasbara" as a dismissal tactic is essentially admitting you can't refute my factual claims on their merits.

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Hikikomori 6 months ago | parent [-]

I don't. But I don't find them particularly relevant to the situation in Gaza and the continued colonization/land stealing in the west bank.

For example, you recognize the fledgling UN's decision to partition the land but don't recognize any decision they've taken since, not like you're following those borders anyway.

I can all it Israeli state propaganda talking points if you want, hasbara is less of a mouthful though.

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UltraSane 6 months ago | parent [-]

"I don't find them particularly relevant to the situation in Gaza"

Do you find the Hamas attacks that killed 1,200 people relevant?

"you recognize the fledgling UN's decision to partition the land but don't recognize any decision they've taken since"

I know that the Palestinians have rejected at least two excellent offers from Israel for their own country. If they had accepted them they would be VASTLY better off then they are now.

You cannot absolve the Palestinians of their responsibility for their shitty lives due to their terrible decisions.

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Hikikomori 6 months ago | parent [-]

>Do you find the Hamas attacks that killed 1,200 people relevant?

Relevant as far as its the latest and greatest excuse Israel can use to take more land and genocide the locals. US had a long history of doing the same when it came to Indians.

I wouldn't fault jews and other minorities in the holocaust for fighting back against their oppressors either.

	▲	UltraSane 6 months ago \| parent [-]
		Calling the brutal murder of 1,200 people an "excuse" is pretty despicable. That would be like if a Mexican cartel invaded the US and killed 40,000 people. " US had a long history of doing the same when it came to Indians." Yes, and you don't see Native Americans trying to take back their land using military force and mass murder because they aren't evil and aren't stupid. "I wouldn't fault Jews and other minorities in the holocaust for fighting back against their oppressors either." The only people oppressing Palestinians in Gaza are Hamas.