Do you stop to ask what creates the environment where the most extreme views flourish and gain traction?

dontTREATonme 12 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I always marvel at the extreme racism required to so thoroughly dehumanize an entire population.

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Ray20 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Islamist majority?

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AlecSchueler 10 hours ago | parent [-]

Nope, Islamism is an extreme position so that gets you no further in the answering the question. What set the stage for an Islamist majority? Again I assert that extreme politics don't develop in vacuums.

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golol 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The thing is it doesn't help. Yes of course the horrible situation of the palestinians promotes extremism, but you still have to face that there is a lot of extremism. What was Israel to do before October 7 (besides making sure Oct 7 could not happen)? Of course there are ppints where history could have gone in a better direction but I really don't see an easy way for Israel to achieve a better situation. Say they had withdraw from the west bank in 2018 for some reason. Who says that Oct 7 would still not have happened on a much greater scale? In fact I find it quite likely that it would. And then you might be looking at 3000 dead Israelis instead. The only rational reason for the Oct 7 attacks I can see is that Hamas wants to incite as much violence as possible to put as much political pressure as possible on Israel due to the inevitable retaliation. So Oct 7 would have made even more sense, as the deoccupation of the west bank is far from the total of their political goals.

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dontTREATonme 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

And here you are continuing to dehumanize and remove all agency for an entire religion now. Truly the bigotry required to hold these beliefs is breathtaking.

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AlecSchueler 4 hours ago | parent [-]

I'm not doing that in any way. Islamism != Islam, and I'm not suggesting that the entire population of following Islamist beliefs, only that there's an environment where it can gain traction.

Please explain your reading if you're going to make such personal attacks.

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dontTREATonme 4 hours ago | parent [-]

You’re missing the point because you’re so unaware of your own enormous bigotry.

All Muslims have their own agency. They are all humans capable of making their own decisions. And like all humans are happy to be held responsible for the decisions they make.

You do not believe the above.

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AlecSchueler 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I'm honestly not sure if this is satire or why you feel the need to tell me what I believe.

> All Muslims have their own agency. They are all humans capable of making their own decisions. And like all humans are happy to be held responsible for the decisions they make.

And I'm not sure why you feel I don't recognise the agency of Muslims?

As I said previously please make an argument or explain your position and I'll respond to it, but it feels absurd to entertain these seemingly baseless ad hominems.

I grew up in a conflict zone and feel that I have some understanding of the group dynamics. That's totally reasonable and I encourage you to ask yourself if your apparent anger and incredulity here is misplaced.

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dontTREATonme 2 hours ago | parent [-]

You’re speaking in innuendo so I’m responding in kind. Plainly state your argument, which you haven’t done yet, instead opting for an odd vaguely veiled bigotry about Muslims’ ability to make their own choices.

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		I'm saying that Western colonial practices and violent Zionism created a situation where many people in Palestine, and beyond, felt no other choice but to support a violent counter campaign. Your turn.