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dismalaf 10 hours ago

I actually do know the "Muslim lands" reference. Religious Muslims believe any land ever controlled by Muslims must remain Muslim forever. It's a conquest tactic. It gets slightly reframed to be tolerable for westerners by invoking the idea that they're "indigenous", when they're largely Arabs who committed genocide against the previous peoples.

https://www.getreligion.org/getreligion/2016/8/12/israel-sau...

dudefeliciano 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> when they're largely Arabs who committed genocide against the previous peoples.

So what area are arabs from? You know there are arab jews and christians right?

dotancohen 9 hours ago | parent [-]

The Arab culture, identity, and distinct racial features formed in the Arabian peninsula. After they accepted Islam in the 7th century, they turned to conquest other areas.

This is all well documented in Arab sources, they are very proud of this.

dudefeliciano 9 hours ago | parent [-]

>they accepted Islam in the 7th century

Oh i didn't realize we're going back more than a millennia. Well, in that case every modern nation state is the product of one form of genocide or another - the USA being the worst genocidal state, going back just 500 years.

>The Arab culture, identity, and distinct racial features formed in the Arabian peninsula

Seems silly to me to claim a land that "your people" inhabited centuries and millennia ago, as it honestly seems silly to me talk about "racial features" when talking about humans. Arab culture? Are you telling me an arab jew, muslim, christian, druze and aheist have the same culture by virtue of being of the same "race"?

dotancohen 9 hours ago | parent [-]

  > Arab culture? Are you telling me an arab jew, muslim, christian, druze and aheist have the same culture by virtue of being of the same "race"?
Not by virtue of being the same race, but by virtue of being the offspring of parents who are proud of their heritage and teach their children.

Denying the existence of Arab culture, of which the Arabs are (rightly, in my opinion) very proud of, is racism. Not everybody has the same values and customs as you do.

dudefeliciano 9 hours ago | parent [-]

Can you mention one cultural trait that an arab jew, muslim, and atheist would share?

That's like saying there is a european culture, it's nonsense.

vntok 9 hours ago | parent [-]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_of_Europe

dudefeliciano 9 hours ago | parent [-]

"Whilst there are a great number of perspectives that can be taken on the subject, it is impossible to form a single, all-embracing concept of European culture."

Literally the second sentence in that wiki

vntok 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Do you frequently stop reading articles two sentences in? It's amazing how much knowledge and intelligence you must be missing.

Please do keep reading past. The next sentence (literally sentence #3) gives you: Nonetheless, there are core elements which are generally agreed upon as forming the cultural foundation of modern Europe. One list of these elements given by K. Bochmann includes:

And then a detailed list of shared-culture-related items.

- A common cultural and spiritual heritage derived from Greco-Roman antiquity, Christianity, Judaism, the Renaissance, its Humanism, the political thinking of the Enlightenment, the French Revolution, and the developments of Modernity, including all types of socialism;[5][4]

- A rich and dynamic material culture, parts of which have been extended to the other continents as the result of industrialization and colonialism during the "Great Divergence";[5]

- A specific conception of the individual expressed by the existence of, and respect for, a legality that guarantees human rights and the liberty of the individual;[5]

- A plurality of states with different political orders, which share new ideas with one another.[5]

- Respect for peoples, states, and nations outside Europe.

And then there are 15 categories from Music to Science to History, listing cultural similitudes or shared values.

AlecSchueler 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Religious Muslims believe any land ever controlled by Muslims must remain Muslim forever.

What are you basing this on? Are "religious" Muslims some kind of True Scots Muslims? I'm willing to bet that if I speak to any of my Muslim neighbours none of them will agree with this.

LtWorf 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Well if you go back enough… all english people are actually vikings who committed genocide against the britons.

And all swedish people are steppe barbarians who committed genocide against the local sami people.

dismalaf 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Source on Swedes being steppe barbarians? Most historians agree that Vikings originated in Scandinavia. Sami peoples originated in northern Russia and moved to the furthest north regions of Scandinavia. The Vikings were also more concerned with seafaring and raiding to the south and west and all the history I know of is that they coexisted mostly peacefully (Vikings would trade with the Sami). Conflict arose centuries after the Viking age.

LtWorf 18 minutes ago | parent [-]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goths