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intermerda 12 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Why are you assuming that Iran wants to destroy Israel?

I'm guessing from the words and actions of Iranian leaders: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_Israel_in_Irani...

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recroad 12 hours ago | parent [-]

What are you pointing at there? Their position from 1979 which is 12 years after 1967?

Also, let’s leave rhetoric aside. What is the actual record of violence between Israel and anyone else? It’s not even close https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties

Israel here is the aggressor. Not acknowledging that makes no sense and doesn’t leave grounds for any meaningful discussion.

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untrust 11 hours ago | parent | next [-]

From the wiki they linked:

In 2015, former Basij chief and senior RIGC officer, Mohammad Reza Naqdi, stated in an interview that the destruction of Israel is "nonnegotiable". In addition, according to the Times of Israel, Naqdi said that during the summer Gaza conflict with Israel, a significant portion of Hamas’s weaponry, training, and technical expertise was provided by Iran.[27][28] In 2019, Naqdi made a direct call for the destruction of Israel during a televised interview. Naqdi asserted that the Zionist regime must be "annihilated and destroyed," asserting "This will definitely happen." He declared his intention to one day raise the flag of the Islamic Revolution over Jerusalem.

	▲	recroad 6 hours ago \| parent [-]
		The Zionist state as it is since 1967 has to be dismantled and it must go back to its 1967 borders. That’s international law. Also, you seem to be putting a lot of weight from words 10 years ago by former officials when current Israeli officials including the head of state is clearly voicing support for genocide. The otherising of brown Muslims comes easy.

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nkmnz 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Rhetoric aside. What was the actual record of violence when Hitler published „My Struggle“ in 1925, laying out his ideas of solving the „Jewish question“? Why should one believe the evil of it lays out its plans way in advance?

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recroad 6 hours ago | parent [-]

By 1925 the Beer Hall Putsch had already happened and Hitler was in jail for high treason.

	▲	nkmnz 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		By 2025 Iran had already been known to sponsor the acts of war the Houthis are performing against Israel.

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motorest 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> Why are you assuming that Iran wants to destroy Israel? Everything I’ve actually seen is the complete opposite: it’s Israel that clearly wants to destroy Israel.

Even by your own logic, do you believe that having a country threaten your existence is not reason enough to want them destroyed?

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recroad 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This whole “threaten your existence” is a clutch in your argument. It smells like “but Hamas…” and tries to create a precondition of condemnation of one side which also happens to be the victim.

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recroad 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

destroy Iran I mean

	▲	motorest 12 hours ago \| parent [-]
		If you pay attention to my question, you'll notice that it isn't conditional to who made threats to who. Do you believe this influences your answer?