▲ | rpdillon a day ago | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I think the point here is that everyone has email. A chat client built on Nostr is fine (and I want to love Nostr), but it just doesn't have the reach or ubiquity of email. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
▲ | lxgr a day ago | parent | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Nor does Delta. Nobody will “chat” with me via their Gmail email focused UI, so it’s effectively a separate network anyway. Using an email address as an identifier for IM is a great idea (I hate that everything uses phone numbers for this, which are not internationally portable and not possible to reasonably “self-custody” the way TLDs are). But using the actual email protocol as a backing protocol for instant messaging seems like a weird contortion and still makes this effectively a separate protocol, the split being servers that do and don’t support all necessary extensions. The overhead must also be staggering; just look at an email header to see how much is going on for each message these days. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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▲ | AJ007 a day ago | parent | prev [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
When you start looking at alternative messengers outside of Matrix, XMPP, and IRC, there isn't much where third parties can operate or implement both servers and clients. Certainly if no one can implement these two things it is functionally a closed source project. It also is a security failure from the standpoint of control, validation, and also future security and vulnerability patching (there's a graveyard of dead "secure" messaging apps.) Is DeltaChat perfect from a security standpoint? No, but it's certainly well above the hurdle most people are at now. Most people are using non-encrypted communication that is actively scanned & stored, or e2e on paper stuff where one party controls the client, server, application, and storage (trust me e2e security.) Telegram, Discord, Facebook Messenger, stop using that shit. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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