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aucisson_masque a day ago

All Android phone but pixel ones have bloatware preinstalled. Some are worst, like Xiaomi.

If you don’t want bloatware (spyware), it’s either pixel or iPhone.

Aachen 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Wut? Besides that you can uninstall whatever you don't want or even replace the operating system with a bare android or whatever else you want, you're forgetting about Fairphone, Murena, and probably others. I had an apple phone for work once and it's not like it doesn't come with a lot of bloat preinstalled and tries to get your permission to snitch on where you are and what you do. It has toggles for some of the things but you can only do what apple lets you do. Also consider daily use, where you will install third party software to get stuff done: you're not better off with the necessarily commercial software from apple's store than with pretty much anything you can get on f-droid and other open source stores

Recommending Apple for privacy only makes sense for those who don't actually care and just want the feel-good premium brand

burnt-resistor a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The trick is to define "bloatware". Is that known knowns (stuff that's visible), known unknowns (stuff that's added that's not visible), and/or unknown unknowns (stuff added we are pretty sure is there but can't prove)? Apple adds all kinds of carrier-specific crap on every phone, but it's not readily discoverable. Android mfgrs must also because of carrier contracts and country-specific regulatory approval requirements. There's likely little means of escaping this without a BYOD non-Android, non-overseas, non-Apple phone that may or may not exist. Surely there is an obvious, viable alternative somewhere I'm missing that I hope exists.

scarface_74 a day ago | parent [-]

What carrier specific crap does Apple add?

Danjoe4 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

OnePlus has a phenomenal software experience

sabellito a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That's incorrect. Zenphone is a bliss.

bobsmooth 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I like the Samsung apps on my Galaxy.