| ▲ | When Humans Learned to Live Everywhere(nytimes.com) |
| 46 points by pepys 6 months ago | 15 comments |
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| ▲ | netcan 6 months ago | parent | next [-] |
| > Our closest living relatives — chimpanzees and bonobos — are confined to a belt of Central African forests. Gorillas are similarly ecologically constrained. But, the ancestor of all African apes was (likely) more like us, adaptive. At the least... they were a species or complex with a very large, multicontinental range. Neanderthals lived in a very wide range of habitats. Northern Russia during an ice age. But also.. Israel. Gibraltar. Denisovans also had an extremely varied range... including high altitudes where most of the flora and fauna is specialized. I'm not negating the idea that 70kya our ancestral African "tribe" spread into new ecozones. They spread all over the world. No surprise that this was an adaptive population. But... I think humans as a generalist species that can specialize using culture... I think this goes way back. It explains how the earliest arguably-homo species (habilis-georgicus) appears in the caucus so soon after evolving in Africa. 1.8mya. Gorillas aren't going to show up in europe. |
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| ▲ | usrnm 6 months ago | parent | next [-] | | It's the other way around: some apes left the jungle and started our lineage. Erectus, who first left Africa, was a species of early humans, not the common ancestor of all apes, he lived long after we branched from chimpanzees | |
| ▲ | tombh 6 months ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It reminds me of how our knuckle-walking ape relatives likely evolved to do so _from_ bipedalism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knuckle-walking#Evolution_of_k... Evolution has a quite different view of the "linearity" of "progress". | |
| ▲ | IncreasePosts 6 months ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It would be hard to explain orangutans in Indonesia if the great ape common ancestor wasn't particularly good at moving to new niches. Maybe pongo and homo independently developed the skills though. | |
| ▲ | IAmBroom 6 months ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Neanderthals and Denisovans are very, very close to H. sapiens, and prove nothing about the LUCA of Primates. Your arguments do not support your belief about that ancestor of apes at all. | |
| ▲ | nkrisc 6 months ago | parent | prev [-] | | So perhaps the other great apes evolved more into specialists while out branch continued generalizing? |
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| ▲ | pfdietz 6 months ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The ~70,000 year break is interestingly close to the Youngest Toba Eruption, which occurred 74K years ago. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Youngest_Toba_eruption |
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| ▲ | mc32 6 months ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Still a lot of holes:
When did the pop in Africa spread out within Africa? When did the many ‘Edens’ happen and why? Why were the previous expansions out of Africa dead ends? Presumably they mean ones that ended up being Denisovans and Florensis. |
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| ▲ | netcan 6 months ago | parent | next [-] | | >Why were the previous expansions out of Africa dead ends? Richard Dawkins would say that descendants are common. Ancestors are rare. Most populations of all species leave little or no genetic trace. The first human radiation was georgicus... 1.8mya. That is arguably the original homo species. Arguably pre-homo, if not for some long legged or large brained individuals in the tribe. They may be ancestral to later Eurasian species of homo... even the erectus lineage as a whole. But likely not.... because ancestors are rare. The recent/last great out of Africa population is one of those rare ancestor populations. Most lineages are dead ends. We don't know much about them. We don't know which bones are theirs, or where they lived before dispersal. We don't know if they had been a distinct population for long... or a recent admixture homogenized before dispersal. | |
| ▲ | usrnm 6 months ago | parent | prev [-] | | > Why were the previous expansions out of Africa dead ends? They were very successful, at least, some of them. Not as good as us, but expanding to another continent and surviving there for hundreds of thousands of years is not exactly a complete failure. Unfortunately for this planet, our species is just too good at procreating and killing everything on our way | | |
| ▲ | yapyap 6 months ago | parent | next [-] | | > Unfortunately for this planet, our species is just too good at procreating and killing everything on our way In a general sense it’s more like unfortunately for us, the planet will endure after we die as a species and then blossom again eventually, just without us. | |
| ▲ | nkrisc 6 months ago | parent | prev [-] | | I do not believe that humans are capable of completely sterilizing the planet, even if we wanted to. Life will persist even after us, and if not, it won’t be because of us. We are absolutely not capable of destroying the planet itself. Barring some cataclysmic natural event beyond our control, humans will cause the extinction of humans (or not). | | |
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| ▲ | jdougan 6 months ago | parent | prev [-] |
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