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more-nitor 8 hours ago

this

if someone's bringing "google payscale" for comparison... well that's not some average joe...

why not just bring Bill Gates and say "everything -- including private jet -- is dirt cheap" ?

$8k per year simply doesn't make sense for 95% of the programmers. For a lot of developing countries, that's more than a well-paying programmer's annual salary...

Veserv 7 hours ago | parent [-]

I presented a conditional calculation using numbers contextually-relevant to a forum run by a company that funds US tech startups.

IF you are such a company, THEN you only need very minor productivity improvements to justify such a price difference. IF you are such a company, THEN such costs are well within the cost of doing business. IF you are NOT then you are free to apply your own numbers to your situation.

However, the overwhelming majority of companies that fall into the applicable category outright refuse to even consider the possibility of a 8 k$ capital expense on software development tooling out of the absolutely foolish belief that such expenditure CAN NOT be justified as such a cost could not possibly be recouped in benefits or out of the absolutely foolish belief that a product that costs 100$ must be 100x better than a product that costs 1$ to be justified, and thus a product that costs money must be infinitely better than a product that is free to be justified.

It is absolutely management incompetence for US employers to just shut down upon hearing about a 8 k$ capital expenditure instead of doing a proper cost-benefit analysis to determine if such expenditures would be justified.

db48x 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I agree with you. At most companies your manager would never even think of spending that much money on you, even if it was completely justifiable. You’re lucky if you can get permission to buy a $50 book.

That said, if you’re going to spend money on a debugger then I recommend rr + Pernosco instead. Pernosco is a completely different kind of debugger that will make you much, much more productive at debugging than any traditional debugger where you start by adding breakpoints and then stepping through your code. Costs a lot less too.