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doubled112 7 months ago

And Thunderbird?

kbrosnan 7 months ago | parent | next [-]

It is the MZLA Technologies Corporation a subsidiary of the Mozilla Foundation. Firefox is developed by the Mozilla Corporation a wholly owned part of the Mozilla Foundation.

edoceo 7 months ago | parent [-]

How did they even get this corporation owned by a foundation situation? That just seems like some kind of tax trick.

boomboomsubban 7 months ago | parent | next [-]

Yes. Mozilla was originally only the non profit, but it was ruled that selling the search rights violated nonprofit status. So they paid a couple million in back taxes and had to spin off a corporate entity that's fully owned by the nonprofit.

Henchman21 7 months ago | parent [-]

Do you have any info on this lawsuit? I am struggling to find it.

boomboomsubban 7 months ago | parent [-]

It wasn't a lawsuit, the IRS audited them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation#IRS_audit

Henchman21 7 months ago | parent [-]

Thank you!

no_wizard 7 months ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Novo Norodisk has a similar corporate structure, being owned majority by the Novodisk Foundation[0]

[0]: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/novo-nordisks-unique-structur...

thayne 7 months ago | parent | prev [-]

It's a "we want to sell something, but non-profits aren't allowed to do that" trick. And it means the for-profit subsidiary has to pay normal taxes.

OpenAI is structured the same way, so they can sell access to their models. At least until it switches to being entirely for-profit, if that is allowed to happen.

major505 7 months ago | parent | prev | next [-]

My guess. is going to be sold to a tech giant, and probably extinct. Maybe Microsoft buy it and rename as outlook for Linux.

alfiedotwtf 7 months ago | parent | prev [-]

Last time I heard, Thunderbird has zero people on it for years but eventually they manage to afford to pay someone part time to work on it :smh:

e2le 7 months ago | parent | next [-]

Thunderbird is quite healthy and received $8.6M in donations in 2023[0] which is used to employ 24 people[1].

Unlike Firefox, donations are used to fund development.

[0]: https://blog.thunderbird.net/2024/10/thunderbird-annual-repo...

[1]: https://blog.thunderbird.net/2023/05/thunderbird-is-thriving...

godshatter 7 months ago | parent | next [-]

I guess what we need is a non-profit fork of Firefox that takes donations directly and focuses only on the browser.

alfiedotwtf 7 months ago | parent | prev [-]

To be honest, I'm pleasantly surprised. Thanks for the info.

raxxorraxor 7 months ago | parent | prev [-]

I did change quite significantly in recent times, so there is certainly work done.

On the other hand it is a mail client and it does exactly what it is supposed to do for years on end. And I believe it is the best mail client too.