I really don't see how this thought experiment is helpful in understanding anything. It would never happen in real world. We have long and well established tradition to disenfranchise specific classes of people, and it is not controversial at all. None of this addresses my point, which is that if you extend the "voter suppression" label to cover things that are universally considered to be good and proper, like banning votes from toddlers, you only make the conversation more difficult.

> Even if 80% of the population was provably dumb, you'll still need a system that takes their voice into account to avoid the country getting overthrown or become a dictatorship.

I really don't see how it follows.

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makeitdouble 8 months ago | parent [-]

Fundamentally a democracy's promise is leaders represent people's voice, and in exchange people follow the leaders.

Breaking that promise (e.g. cutting off "dumb" people from the process) means they'll have to find non democratic ways to express themselves. If they're in overwhelming numbers the shortest path is a revolution, and if a gov can just weather a popular uprising, it's a dictatorship.

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xyzzyz 8 months ago | parent [-]

And if the people who are cut off from the process are in the weak minority, and the majority agrees that it's good and proper to cut them off, then there will neither be revolution, nor dictatorship. This is the case with the people we typically disenfranchise today: children, foreigners, criminals. I don't understand why you keep coming up with these completely irrelevant hypothetical scenarios.

	▲	makeitdouble 7 months ago \| parent [-]
		I was taking simpler to discuss numbers, but if you don't like hypotheticals: Looking at 2020 numbers > children 24% of teens or younger > foreigners 13% > criminals 23% of the US population has a criminal record That's at least 50% of the population. That's a lot for a "weak minority".