| ▲ | keybored 8 months ago | |||||||||||||||||||||||||
> They have land that can be taken or voted away. The assumption that these privileges would be voted away implies an eventual equal distribution of such thing. Then all would have equal skin in the game which would justify democracy under this bizarre definition of skin in the game. > I don't think only land owners should be able to vote, but it's worth noting worldwide having significant property is one of the most common ways for immigrants to qualify for a resident visa (other two common ways is job or business investment). That has got nothing to do with the political franchise. > Right or not it signifies enough skin in the game to many if not most societies to reflect reciprocated integration the community. No. It means that they want people with means. Same basic reason why some nations may want people with advanced degrees. Or for that matter poor people who are willing to work for low wages. They want to import people who will benefit the nation state. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 8 months ago | parent | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||
<< They want to import people who will benefit the nation state. You might be getting a little ahead of yourself. Yes, the nation state does what serves its interest, but we are not discussing what the nation state wants. We are not even discussing what the populace through small d democracy wants ( as the two are automatically aligned ). We are discussing, who is a part of the group that can want. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | ty6853 8 months ago | parent | prev [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||
>That has got nothing to do with the political franchise. Until you consider getting resident visa is by far and away the most common way to franchise for immigrants, barring some exceptions like Argentina and citizenship by investment countries. It actually haze EVERYTHING to do with political franchise. >The assumption that these privileges would be voted away implies an eventual equal distribution of such thing. Then all would have equal skin in the game which would justify democracy under this bizarre definition of skin in the game. The implication is yours. We have had eminent domain, civil and criminal forfeiture, and fractional taking (property tax) for a long time, all of which has resulted in quite a bit of land seizure, although not significantly in the direction towards 'equal distribution' despite nearly universal franchise of citizens. Although admittedly mass-scale redistribution of land has happened some places. >No. It means that they want people with means. Same basic reason why some nations may want people with advanced degrees. Or for that matter poor people who are willing to work for low wages. They want to import people who will benefit the nation state. Yes of course nations choose the residency path that leads to franchise for immigrants with skin that they can put in the game. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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