| ▲ | sgc 13 hours ago |
| That an enormous sample size. Statistically a complete participation should be very close, so the burden of proof lies with those who claim it would be different. Regardless of whether Trump would have won or not, that is a clear indication of evenly split public sentiment. So we still get to justly reap the fruits of our collective choices. There is no exoneration by whimsically dreaming of improbable alternatives. I don't think it is was that hard to vote. That is a straw man to avoid facing the hard truth of American apathy. Now next election, perhaps we can have a conversation on that point. Things a trending rather poorly right now. |
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| ▲ | jzb 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| "I don't think it is that hard to vote" Says a person commenting on HN that almost certainly isn't in a demographic that it has been made intentionally difficult to register, stay registered, and get time off an hourly job to stand in line for hours to vote. |
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| ▲ | sgc 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I did not say 'is', I said 'was'. I have not seen studies or even many anecdotal stories indicating people think it was too hard for they themselves to vote. I have seen a lot of people saying that about other people, but as of 2024, attempts to disenfranchise voters had not been very well done. I also don't think having ID is a high bar, which is what a large amount of the noise has been about. Many, many democratic countries have this requirement [1]. Coupled with other things it can become a problem, but when anybody says voter id itself is a problem, I can't take them very seriously. I however repeat, that was last year. Things could very well take a dramatic turn for the worse. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_identification_laws |
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| ▲ | ellen364 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| The electorate self-selected into voters and non-voters, it wasn't a random sample. Some chose to go to the polls and some chose to stay at home. Voter preferences don't say a lot about the preferences of non-voters, who've already shown they choose differently. |
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| ▲ | sgc 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It shouldn't be that hard for you to show some evidence things would be different then. There is nothing indicating a stronger preference to vote has anything at all to do with which direction you lean. More and less does not equal right and left, so the burden of proof is on those who claim it is relevant. Yet polling indicates things would have gone pretty much just as they went. | |
| ▲ | mulmen 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | There’s also one party that disproportionately targets specific voter demographics for suppression. |
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