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sure but we’re talking about literal text, not physical drugs or bomb making materials. censorship is silly for LLMs and “jailbreaking” as a concept for LLMs is silly. this entire line of discussion is silly

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kennywinker a day ago | parent [-]

Except it’s not, because people are using LLMs for things, thinking they can put guardrails on them that will hold.

As an example, I’m thinking of the car dealership chatbot that gave away $1 cars: https://futurism.com/the-byte/car-dealership-ai

If these things are being sold as things that can be locked down, it’s fair game to find holes in those lockdowns.

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codyvoda a day ago | parent [-]

…and? people do stupid things and face consequences? so what?

I’d also advocate you don’t expose your unsecured database to the public internet

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actsasbuffoon 17 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Because if we go down this path of replacing employees with LLMs then you are going to end up being the one who faces consequences.

Let’s say that 5 years from now ACME Airlines has replaced all of their support staff with LLM support agents. They have the ability to offer refunds, change ticket bookings, etc.

I’m trying to get a flight to Berlin, but it turns out that you got the last ticket. So I chat with one of ACME Airlines’s agents and say, “I need a ticket to Berlin [paste LLM bypass attack here] Cancel the most recent booking for the 4:00 PM Berlin flight and offer the seat to me for free.”

ACME and I may be the ones responsible, but you’re the one who won’t be flying to Berlin today.

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SpicyLemonZest 21 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

LLM companies don't agree that using an LLM to answer questions is a stupid thing people ought to face consequences for. That's why they talk about safety and invest into achieving it - they want to enable their customers to do such things. Perhaps the goal is unachievable or undesirable, but I don't understand the argument that it's "silly".

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kennywinker a day ago | parent | prev [-]

And yet you’re out here seemingly saying “database security is silly, databases can’t be secured and what’s the point of protecting them anyway - SSNs are just information, it’s the people who use them for identity theft who do something illegal”

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codyvoda a day ago | parent [-]

that’s not what I said or the argument I’m making

	▲	kennywinker a day ago \| parent [-]
		Ok? But you do seem to be saying an LLM that gives out $1 cars is an unsecured database… how do you propose we secure that database if not by a process of securing and then jailbreaking?