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Makes me wonder if ACs should have built in scrubbers. If that was the norm everywhere, you’d have some mild effect going on at scale.

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myrmidon 14 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It would not hurt, but this just makes no (economic) sense currently, and that's not gonna change any time soon.

Right now we don't have any CO2 scrubbing process without significant maintenance or operating costs, so this would add significant cost to all those ACs. Furthermore, the effect is marginal: With emissions of >6 tons of CO2/year/human, you would have to scrub a lot of air (>10m³/min with cost-free 100% efficiency, which is a pipedream) to compensate (for a single human); running the ACs on full flow all the time might not even be worth it depending on how efficient the scrubbing is and how clean the source of electricity.

You might say scrubbing clean 10m³/min of air for every human sounds kinda feasible, but just compare the realistic cost of such a setup to the options that are currently implemented, and how much popular resistance/feet dragging they already meet (renewables, nuclear power, electrification, CO2 taxation).

As a general benchmark, I would suggest that before the scrubbing technology in question has not managed to be installed at most major stationary sources of CO2 (coal/gas power plants, etc), it is not even worth discussing it for distributed air scrubbing.

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azinman2 13 hours ago | parent [-]

You have to start somewhere. Even a not great solution can set the president, with goals to gradually increase the efficiency. Mandates can do a lot — just look at the catalytic converter. Put it on all HVAC systems and _something_ will happen even if a small effect given the HVAC itself is contributing way more CO2.

We need all across the board solutions, and if you start requiring small scrubbers to function that can start to provide scale effects that can translate for bigger systems.

	▲	gus_massa 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Catalytic converters have to convert a tiny part of the output, and they convert them into more stable forms. The problem with CO2 is that it's the most stable form. Also, if you want to absorb the CO2, for 1 pound of fuel you get like 3 pounds of CO2. You can absorb it into a solid and the density is like 3 times the density of the fuel. So with a lot of approximations you need container that has the same volume than the fuel tank to store the CO2, or even bigger if you absorb it in a liquid or much much much bigger as a gas. And you must empty/exchange the container when you refuel. And then you realize that it's better to use an electric car.

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scientator 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

https://mashable.com/article/ac-units-climate-change-carbon-...