| ▲ | magic_hamster 4 days ago |
| Who is "we"? The entire human race? Expecting all humans across different cultures and languages to come together and figure out basic income for 9 billion people is absurd. This kind of cooperation never happened and probably never will. People are completely unable to cooperate at the massive scale this requires, let alone solve far smaller challenges like mitigating outbreaks or making an effort to avert climate change. "We" is not a thing. |
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| ▲ | awongh 4 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| We as in, it's not a social cooperation thing, many people's individual moral ethics make it so they themselves would be uncomfortable with the idea of not working to earn a living. Currently, society as a whole generally believes that it's each individual person's prerogative to find paying work and most people don't really examine this belief. There's nothing to cooperate on yet. |
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| ▲ | magic_hamster 3 days ago | parent [-] | | I think the idea of a society where work is optional and people having their needs met by the society they live in is actually well explored. It's a Utopia. The problem is human nature is competitive and just being provided with everything you need to live, even being given ample time to create art and enjoy life, is not enough for many people. Utopian ideas all look great on paper but when meeting reality you cannot build Utopia around greed and elitism and you can't abolish them either. |
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| ▲ | tarcon 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The first step towards this is a UN resolution. |
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| ▲ | falcor84 3 days ago | parent [-] | | That's an interesting take. Is there any historical precedent for an international change that started with a UN resolution? Because my cynical take is that UN resolutions are typically either ineffective, or made post-hoc. |
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| ▲ | falcor84 4 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| It's difficult, but not impossible. "We" decided to offer everyone a covid vaccine and achieved that. |
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| ▲ | shakna 4 days ago | parent [-] | | And as a result of "we" being divided, we have the resurgence of many vaccine preventable diseases, because that achievement was flat out rejected by part of humanity. | | |
| ▲ | falcor84 3 days ago | parent [-] | | I wonder what part of that was actual rejection of the vaccines vs a rejection of collective action itself as an idea. | | |
| ▲ | krapp 3 days ago | parent [-] | | The rejection itself was a collective action. It wasn't passive, anti-vaxxers did work spreading propaganda, protesting and undermining vaccination efforts. They made it a part of their identity and culture. If it was a rejection of anything, it was of any assumption of good faith on the part of either government or scientific institutions. Why that happened, as quickly and thoroughly and as polarized along clear partisan lines as it was, is a mystery. | | |
| ▲ | Jensson 3 days ago | parent [-] | | > If it was a rejection of anything, it was of any assumption of good faith on the part of either government or scientific institutions. Why that happened, as quickly and thoroughly and as polarized along clear partisan lines as it was, is a mystery. It isn't a mystery, it was the bullshit and lies that happened the first month of covid in USA, many people then stopped listening even when the bullshit and lies stopped. I remember the cases in New York exploding and the local democrat told people to continue as normal since its nothing to worry about, and that masks doesn't prevent spread so don't go buy masks, that was how it all started. They say they had to tell those lies to save resources for those who needs it, but that made people stop trusting them and that counts for so much more. I hope they learned their lesson, but likely they didn't as they never said "Sorry we lied to you, we shouldn't have done that". | | |
| ▲ | krapp 3 days ago | parent [-] | | Except if you understand they were being misleading, and you understand why, you also understand Covid was a real problem and that there were serious infrastructure and logistics problems that had to be dealt with. You get angry with the government for fumbling the effort, but you still get vaccinated. That doesn't justify believing Fauci and Biden cooked up Covid in a lab or that the vaccines were spiked with microchips or that masks give you brain cancer or half the stuff antivaxxers actually wound up claiming. People literally formed resistance organizations and were warning of a global fascist takeover, we were entering an eternal police state in which the unvaccinated would become a slave underclass and if you didn't have your vaccine card you would get shot dead in the street. All of it went far beyond simple mistrust in the government's PR. | | |
| ▲ | bediger4000 2 days ago | parent [-] | | You forgot the flip side of the predictions: that the vaccinated would end up bleeding out in the streets. I believe there were a large number of such predictions, which should have already happened. I think this only strengthens your observation that anti-vaxxing went far beyond simple mistrust. |
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