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closewith 4 days ago

Well, the number of working musicians absolutely cratered, so it wasn’t really overblown, even though a few artists became extremely wealthy.

whywhywhywhy 4 days ago | parent [-]

Musicians are actually a lot poorer than they should be, the label system is a complete scam and syphons off almost all the value created before the artist sees any for close to no benefit.

stavros 4 days ago | parent [-]

If labels offer so little benefit, why have they not become obsolete? Nowadays artists can self-publish with minimal cost, so why haven't we been seeing independent artists that are massively popular?

whywhywhywhy 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

>If labels offer so little benefit, why have they not become obsolete?

Because artists are preyed upon early in their career into signing contracts that encompass the most profitable years of their lives and often the output of those years forever for small loans and promises of success.

The way these label deals are structured, if VCs in the tech world did the same it would be like having the investor of your very first failed company idea still taking money from you for startup attempt four that actually was successful and owning a chunk of that by default.

Of course I don't think musicians are blameless, they signed the deals and often regret it or go to huge expense of time and money (e.g Taylor Swift) to pull their work back into their own ownership.

> why have they not become obsolete? Nowadays artists can self-publish with minimal cost

You cannot self publish to Spotify without giving money to the major labels via arms of the majors like DistroKid. Spotify has no "Upload" button.

> so why haven't we been seeing independent artists that are massively popular?

There are: Frank Ocean, Tyler The Creator, Macklemore, Chance the Rapper, etc.

But if you're independent you're swimming against the tide because major labels own and scoop cream at all levels, from LiveNation to DistroKid to being signed on the label itself.

stavros 3 days ago | parent [-]

Doesn't DistroKid (or CDBaby) cost like $20? Last time I looked to upload something, that's the price I saw.

whywhywhywhy 3 days ago | parent [-]

Why does it cost anything? Imagine if to upload to YouTube you had to pay a company that's an arm of Paramount Pictures $20.

stavros 3 days ago | parent [-]

But that's not the same as "you need a label because you can't self-publish on Spotify". You can if you have $20, so that's not a reason why we don't see more successful self-published artists.

wolvesechoes 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

You still need to solve the problem of having your self-published album be actually heard by more people than your mom and partner.

stavros 3 days ago | parent [-]

Either labels are a scam and useless, or they're useful and worth their money, it can't be both.