Thing is, I don't want to build my editor, I want to live the dream of Xerox PARC workstations, and that is what IDEs are for.

I had to make Emacs my go to editor in UNIX, because in those days there were hardly any alternatives, IDEs only started to be taken seriously on UNIX around 2000.

Even James Gosling, one of influencial people in the Emacs history says its time is now passed and he rather use Netbeans,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mv5Q39MuTvk

Speaking of old obsolete versions of Gosling Emacs, Lars Brinkhoff just posted this source code for UniPress Emacs 2.20 he got from from Hans Hübner! That's the version we called NeMACS, with support for NeWS (Gosling's PostScript based window system), tabbed windows and pie menus, etc:

https://github.com/larsbrinkhoff/emacs-history/tree/sources/...

So the answer to DVRC's ("Adopter of orphaned technologies") question on June 3, 2023, is yes, finally!

HCIL Demo - HyperTIES Authoring with UniPress Emacs on NeWS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhmU2B79EDU

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36166642

DonHopkins on June 2, 2023 | parent | context | favorite | on: Brave Browser introduces vertical tabs

UniPress Emacs for NeWS in 1988: Scriptable GUI, tabbed windows, pie menus, hypermedia authoring tool for HyperTIES browser.

Emacs served as an IDE with tabbed window and pie menus, for interactively editing, viewing, and navigating HyperTIES markup language documents, graphics, and interactive PostScript "applets".

HyperTIES browser and Gosling Emacs authoring tool with pie menus on the NeWS window system

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tab_(interface)#/media/File:Hy...

>HyperTIES is an early hypermedia browser developed under the direction of Dr. Ben Shneiderman at the University of Maryland Human Computer Interaction Lab. This screen snapshot shows the HyperTIES authoring tool (built with UniPress's Gosling Emacs text editor, written in MockLisp) and browser (built with the NeWS window system, written in PostScript, C and Forth). The tabbed windows and pie menu reusable components were developed by Don Hopkins, who also developed the NeWS Emacs (NeMACS) and HyperTIES user interfaces. (Sorry about the quality -- this is a scan of an old screen dump printed by a laser printer.)

Emacs provides the pie menus you see popped up in the illustration (Articulate, Edit, New (Storyboard, Link, Picture, Target), Define) that control the HyperTIES browser from the custom text editing mode of HyperTIES storyboards (like web pages), which the HyperTIES browser (in the background, which emacs controls in a sub-process) formats and displays. HyperTIES also uses pie menus for navigation and in interactive "applets" programmed in PostScript.

DVRC on June 3, 2023 [–]

Do any version of UniPress Emacs (that support the NeWS driver) or NeMacs survive?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31989423

I wrote the following description of how NeWS relates to modern web browsers and "AJAX" in the NeWS article on Wikipedia, and I also worked on TNT (The NeWS Toolkit) at Sun: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NeWS

>NeWS was architecturally similar to what is now called AJAX, except that NeWS coherently:

>- used PostScript code instead of JavaScript for programming.

>- used PostScript graphics instead of DHTML and CSS for rendering.

>- used PostScript data instead of XML and JSON for data representation.

[...]

HyperTIES Emacs Authoring Tool MockLisp code (Yet Another HyperTIES Implementation, This Time In Emacs):

http://donhopkins.com/home/ties/yahtittie.ml

https://donhopkins.com/home/ties/

HyperTIES Discussions from Hacker News:

https://donhopkins.medium.com/hyperties-discussions-from-hac...