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dgfl 4 days ago

I keep coming back to this thought. Maybe it’s how I was raised, but knowing that I’m doing something useful to other people / humanity is the entire point.

When a machine can do everything better than we can, then what do we derive meaning from?

I usually get out of the existential dread by thinking that we’re still some time away from the issue, and that there will still be some pursuits left, like space colonization. But it’s not fully satisfying.

skerit 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

> Maybe it’s how I was raised, but knowing that I’m doing something useful to other people / humanity is the entire point.

Exactly. The thought of spending hours on something that an AI could do in minutes sounds horrible to me.

int_19h 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

He walked for days, stopping at bars and restaurants whenever he felt thirsty, hungry, or tired; mostly they were automatic and he was served by little floating trays, though a few were staffed by real people. They seemed less like servants and more like customers who’d taken a notion to help out for a while.

“Of course I don’t have to do this,” one middle-aged man said, carefully cleaning the table with a damp cloth. He put the cloth in a little pouch, sat down beside him. “But look, this table’s clean.”

He agreed that the table was clean.

“Usually,” the man said. “I work on alien – no offense – alien religions; Directional Emphasis In Religious Observance; that’s my specialty… like when temples or graves or prayers always have to face in a certain direction; that sort of thing? Well, I catalog, evaluate, compare; I come up with theories and argue with colleagues, here and elsewhere. But… the job’s never finished; always new examples, and even the old ones get reevaluated, and new people come along with new ideas about what you thought was settled… but” – he slapped the table – “when you clean a table you clean a table. You feel you’ve done something. It’s an achievement.”

“But in the end, it’s still just cleaning a table.”

“And therefore does not really signify anything on the cosmic scale of events?” the man suggested.

He smiled in response to the man’s grin, “Well, yes.”

“But then, what does signify? My other work? Is that really important either? I could try composing wonderful musical works, or day-long entertainment epics, but what would that do? Give people pleasure? My wiping this table gives me pleasure. And people come to a clean table, which gives them pleasure. And anyway” – the man laughed – “people die; stars die; universes die. What is any achievement, however great it was, once time itself is dead? Of course, if all I did was wipe tables, then of course it would seem a mean and despicable waste of my huge intellectual potential. But because I choose to do it, it gives me pleasure. And,” the man said with a smile, “it’s a good way of meeting people. So where are you from anyway?”

(Iain M. Banks, "Use of Weapons")

Juliate 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

AI will never be able to actually express and reveal my own self to my own self or to others.

That's what art _is_.

Sometimes, it produces something that could be aesthetically pleasing but that's a different matter.

And how it is monetised is a different matter again.

voidspark 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

We can join the Amish and reject all technology based on AI.

There may be a war against Big Tech. Terrorist attacks on data centers and robot factories.

int_19h 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

Guess who wins in a war where one side has killer drone swarms with thermal vision, and the other one doesn't?

The only way to win this fight is to embrace the tech and put it to good use, not to shun it.

voidspark 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

If “put it to good use” means the value of human labor drops to zero, and everyone loses their job to ASI, then violent resistance is inevitable.

int_19h 3 days ago | parent [-]

It definitely is (and I would encourage that even).

But such resistance cannot be luddite if it actually wants to win. Therefore, its goal cannot be "no AI", but rather "AI used for the benefit of society".

voidspark 3 days ago | parent [-]

With ASI there is no way that we can control it with absolute certainty.

Controlling something that is vastly more intelligent than humans is fundamentally difficult.

int_19h 3 days ago | parent [-]

I'm not worried about controlling ASI acting on its own behalf.

What we need is to prevent humans in position of power from using the fledging AI that they control to entrench themselves and stomp on the rest of us.

voidspark 3 days ago | parent [-]

ASI can not be reliably controlled by any humans.

It makes as much sense as chimpanzees or rats controlling humans.

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j4coh 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The technologists have no qualms about encroachment on your space.

pjmlp 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Someone has been watching Netflix.

eucryphia 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

As long as we have a choice.

Not that long ago you would lose your job because you refused to take an experimental vaccination that didn’t prevent transmission.

amanaplanacanal 3 days ago | parent [-]

Were there a lot of jobs that required vaccinations? I expect health care and military, but that comes with the job. Mine certainly didn't.

eucryphia 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

My elderly relatives strived to remain useful.

My grandmother-in-law especially enjoyed our visits, engaging her in conversation, she delighted in serving us a lovely hot pot of tea. We would give her a few days notice so she could bake a cake, later she just bought one.

kmijyiyxfbklao 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Sounds like the useful thing to do now is to come up with a way to automate laundry and dishes. Are you doing that?