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Maybe he’s just good at not rocking the boat too much? I’m fairly certain these things mostly keep moving without any input.

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vineyardmike 12 hours ago | parent [-]

The boat is constantly rocking though, and it's actually incredible how he's kept the boat afloat and increasingly profitable. You can despise their impact on society, but he's an incredible example of a very successful CEO.

Political investigations, anti-trust, terrible media and brand image. GDPR. DMA. Etc. A literal genocide associated with their product.

The shift from desktop to mobile, and the continued evolution of the distribution channel - eg. the "Anti-tracking" requirement on apple devices.

The shift from text posts to images, to stories, to short-form video. From broadcast to DMs and groups.

The shift from "social" media to celebrity and influencer followings, to a feed entirely algorithmic.

The shift in advertisement formats, the shift across what gets advertised (eg. apps didn't exist at all when Facebook started, now they track ad-click-to-install rates through ML models).

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Aeolun 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I suppose I just don’t find any of those things very admirable? The fact that their product is associated with so much bad shit and still alive is a terrible thing for society. I just cannot reasonably call someone that led all that a ‘good CEO’, because they represent nothing that I’d like a CEO to be, regardless of what Wall Street things.

I’d also argue that it just means that Facebook was very successful at following all the trends and purchasing what they couldn’t replicate.

	▲	grandempire 3 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		> associated with so much bad shit Reputation vs harm ethics. > I’d also argue that it just means that Facebook was very successful at following all the trends Yeah foreseeing and executing on those trends is the hard part.
	▲	lazide 9 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		The CEO is captain of their ship. Saying ‘I hate their ship, and that it hasn’t sunk’ doesn’t mean they are a bad CEO. If anything, it means they might be an even better CEO because it’s still doing well, running around rampaging, despite all the hate. After all - who is the better pirate? The one who is hated and infamous (and still alive pirating), or the one no one has ever heard of?

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someusername321 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I get your point about what he has accomplished. But at the same time, right after saying he's an incredible example of a very successful CEO, you acknowledge "a literal genocide associated with their product." I really wish we could shift how we define success for these CEOs.