| ▲ | handfuloflight a day ago |
| > iMessage is (was?) a very sticky product for Apple as kids with android get cut out of chats. There's nothing worse for teens that exclusion. Are kids really that simplistically divided? |
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| ▲ | dcchambers a day ago | parent | next [-] |
| 100%. iMessage is THE number one thing selling iphones these days, and has been for a long time. |
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| ▲ | handfuloflight a day ago | parent | next [-] | | But why does it matter if the majority of cellular plans provide unlimited texting? | | |
| ▲ | frollogaston 18 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It doesn't matter so much for 1:1, but SMS group chat is a mess (or MMS? RCS? idk). | |
| ▲ | tmpz22 21 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Its about the extra features iMessage has because of Apple's superset of the underlying SMS/MMS functionality. Its also about having a blue bubble (not-poor) versus a green bubble (poor). It defies belief how much some demographics care about this stuff, I didn't believe it when I first heard either. Some of it is improving with RCS but its got a ways to go. | | |
| ▲ | dcchambers 21 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Exactly this. Even if RCS does everything iMessage does, you still have a dreaded "green bubble" in iOS messaging which is a huge (anti) social signal to teens. Does it justify their reason for hating on Android/green bubbles? Of course not, but that's 100% the reality of the situation. | | |
| ▲ | frollogaston 18 hours ago | parent [-] | | Teens care about silly things like that, but a real thing I care about as an adult is group chats working properly. Like, I was looking for a realtor last year when buying a house. One of them had Android, and I really thought about it, do I want to take a nonzero chance of that somehow screwing the plans up on closing? That's not the main reason I went with another one, but I still paid attention to how many group iMessages we were in with lenders, seller's realtor, or just me + wife + realtor. Things really did come down to the hour during negotiating and closing, so it might've mattered. | | |
| ▲ | zifpanachr23 13 hours ago | parent [-] | | Worrying about whether or not somebody has an Android is going to be very bad for your mental health given that something like 42% of the US cell phone market is Android. Is it possible that you are living in a bubble of people that are significantly more committed to Apple products than the median person? I don't live in such a bubble, and whether or not somebody has Apple or Android is not something I have ever heard an adult bring up as a serious thing. The most I've ever seen is as an observation about why some sort of thing in a group chat didn't work, but then everyone moves on with their day and the chat continues with the types of text and media that do work. |
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| ▲ | baggachipz 20 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Apple's implementation of RCS is such hot garbage that I disabled it and revert to regular SMS to text with Android people. I'm sure the shoddy RCS support is just a terrible mistake and not by design... | | |
| ▲ | pirates 18 hours ago | parent [-] | | Would you mind listing a couple issues you’ve seen with it? You’ve got me curious if they affect me and I just don’t notice it what. I don’t have all that many contacts though, so it may be just be a numbers game. |
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| ▲ | theshackleford 18 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Maybe in your neck of the woods, I see no evidence for outside of that. iMessage is completely irrelevant where I live. SMS/MMS full stop is irrelevant. | | |
| ▲ | kube-system 18 hours ago | parent [-] | | In the US, people overwhelmingly use SMS/MMS/iMessage by default. It works with every phone, it's the one platform that people won't say "I don't have that" to. | | |
| ▲ | zifpanachr23 13 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Yep, and I like it this way. | |
| ▲ | theshackleford 17 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I've no doubt it may be the case in the US, I did not mean to suggest it's not. It simply doesnt have the same sway everywhere. I don't know literally a single person who uses SMS/MMS/iMessage where I live. And it's been this way for years. It's easily 99% whatsapp/messenger/discord etc. It's pretty openly joked about that the only thing SMS is still for these days is spam/marketing/political messaging. |
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| ▲ | te_chris 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Only in the US, the rest of us aren’t that petty and just use WhatsApp or signal |
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| ▲ | procinct 18 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I see this line of thinking online a lot, with people mentioning kids are excluded because they have green bubbles as if it’s some sort of highly superficial exclusion based on only wanting to talk to Apple users. The main issue is that including a non-iMessage user changes the protocol of the group chat from iMessage to SMS and SMS can basically make group chats unusable. I also don’t like that kids who don’t have an iPhone can’t participate in iMessage group chats, but when we make out like it’s just kids being cruel and not an actual functional incentive to not include those kids then we are losing sight of where the pressure should be applied. |
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| ▲ | zifpanachr23 12 hours ago | parent [-] | | The pressure should obviously be applied on the underage children with the Apple products, or better yet on Apple. Perhaps the children should be punished and have their iPhones taken away and replaced with budget android phones or flip phones. This is good in the long run since the behavior they were engaging in puts them at odds with nearly half the population. Not only is it anti-social behavior, it's mind numbingly stupid and likely to backfire in ways that make their lives worse. ~43% of the cell phones out there in the US are Android phones. To follow their conviction against Android at all convincingly and thoroughly, they would be missing out on a lifetime of opportunities and would live a significantly diminished existence. iPhone is not even close to being a dominant enough platform to be able to enforce this kind of social pressure against anyone but people significantly under the age of 18. Shame them, make sure they feel bad and spoiled (they should feel spoiled for being a child with an iphone), and watch them grow out up to be pro-social adults. |
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| ▲ | GuinansEyebrows a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| it's just a new version of "preps don't hang out with goths" |
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| ▲ | frollogaston a day ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Adults too |
