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VikingCoder a day ago

I think these licenses are incredibly useful.

I have a really, really dumb question.

Why don't we have more licenses and contracts like this? Do we just need to set up a foundation that drafts them and makes them freely available to use?

Like, for instance, "Hi, Mark - we'd like to offer you a job here at our daycare, but first we need you to look over this contract and sign it."

This contract says, roughly, that if there's an accusation of sexual abuse against children that it will go to a mediator who has final say, and if they say it was a credible accusation, that Mark immediately loses his job, and can never work anywhere that uses this same contract, ever again. Sorry, you lost your chance to work with kids. It sucks that it might have been a false accusation, but our kids are just far too important to trust to the existing systems.

Guess what? Churches should follow a similar license. Letting priests or pastors move from town to town, abusing kids? That was completely bonkers insane. And I feel like a contract like this (and a registry, and etc.) could have helped. If people forced their daycares and churches to accept a license like this.

Another one, "Hi, Greg. We understand we'd like your endorsement from our political party? Sounds good, here's a contract for you..."

It says, among other things, that if Greg switches political parties that he must resign from office. Sorry. He's welcome to run again, but he can't stay in office on our votes.

Like, shouldn't we have more contracts like this?

gus_massa a day ago | parent | next [-]

> and if they say it was a credible accusation, [...], but our kids are just far too important to trust to the existing systems.

You mean dropping some hard earned human right like Presumption of Innocence?

You may think it doesn't apply to you, but the landlords and HOA can add a similar clause, because children must be safe at home too. And every software company may add the same clause because they (may) have a game division and children must be safe online too. And ...

Suddenly, any accusation that a non-professional fake-judge says is "credible" makes you an outcast of society.

yjftsjthsd-h a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If I follow correctly, then yes I agree that having more widely used standard licenses/contracts would be nice. One of my crazy legal fantasies is that all EULAs have to go through a central government authority that pushes back on new ones, because one of the things I love about FOSS is that there's only a handful of common licenses, so you can reasonably read them once and then just see them and know what you're getting. I don't need to re-read the GPL every time I use a new piece of software using it, because I already know what it says.

To a specific point, though,

> Guess what? Churches should follow a similar license. Letting priests or pastors move from town to town, abusing kids? That was completely bonkers insane. And I feel like a contract like this (and a registry, and etc.) could have helped. If people forced their daycares and churches to accept a license like this.

Er, yes, that does sound bonkers; where are you that every school, church, and daycare isn't already doing a background check on every single person working there?

VikingCoder a day ago | parent [-]

> Er, yes, that does sound bonkers; where are you that every school, church, and daycare isn't already doing a background check on every single person working there?

Someone has to be convicted for something to show up on their background check, yes?

skeltoac a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Contracts are negotiable. Don’t like the numbers in paragraph twelve? Can’t agree to forfeit one of the rights listed in appendix G? Redline it and see what they say.

EULA, TOS, and Docusign have mostly forced people to forget their right to negotiate contracts because all they let you do is agree to the terms offered. So it seems natural today that people just want standard contracts for everything.

Lazyweb: what’s that story about the guy who redlined his credit card contract and the bank accepted it?

equinoxnemesis a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I could imagine a judge holding a contract to resign from office void as contrary to public policy (on the basis of the intuition that elected representatives shouldn't have their continuance in office subject to random contracts with third parties lest this interfere with their service to the public.)

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inetknght a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Like, shouldn't we have more contracts like this?

So... like a social scorecard that's easily manipulated?

No.

Suppafly a day ago | parent | prev [-]

>Like, shouldn't we have more contracts like this?

We have tons of them, they are written by lawyers.

VikingCoder 21 hours ago | parent [-]

I wish they were standardized and freely available.

Suppafly 24 minutes ago | parent [-]

You can get books of them, but standardization mostly doesn't work because every situation is different enough that it can't be standardized enough.