▲ | jaredhallen a day ago | |
This seems to be mostly a discussion in good faith, so I'm going to engage. There is definitely some ambiguity around the definition, and that's because DEI isn't law. Particularly in the context of this discussion, different companies implement different policies. So when asking if it's essentially affirmative action, the answer is "it depends". But to shift gears, I've seen good arguments on both sides here. It seems like (in this discussion), there is a fair amount of agreement that the root of the problem has to do with disadvantaged folks lacking the same opportunities due to historical factors. So that's a good starting point. The crux of the issue seems to be whether the appropriate course of action is to level the playing field for individuals who are starting from a disadvantage. This can be described as "equal outcome" rather than "equal opportunity". There are pros and cons to both options, but to put a fine point on it, I'm just not aware of any actions that can be taken to effect "equal outcome" that don't result in unfair circumstances at the individual level. I'd love to be proven wrong, though. | ||
▲ | s1artibartfast 21 hours ago | parent [-] | |
I think you are describing the situation well. I would put myself in the bucket of equal opportunity. I prefer addressing the causes, and think poverty is a better proxy for the core issue than skin color, and doesn't have the collateral damage. A black and a white children of dirt poor single mothers are both going to have major headwinds in life. A black and white children of married techies and doctors are both going to start with a good hand. Addressing the problem at the college admission stage is just juicing the numbers in a way that says our University is care more about your skin color than what you can do. It would be far better to look at what we can do to keep kids in school, stabilize their home lives, and make them into competitive college applicants. This is the route to address equal outcome that doesn't result in unfair circumstances at the individual level. It's slower to show results, but I think it's the only thing they'll actually get there in the end. If all we care about is the numbers, we could just give honorary diplomas to kids that can't even read and make the numbers work. |