Remix.run Logo
derriz a day ago

It seems that the idea that someone could be motivated simply by having integrity, valuing honesty and pride in simply "doing their job" correctly is so alien to the current US administration that they see political motives everywhere and in everyone's actions.

The fact that people with such a cynical and amoral worldview wield so much power not only in US but globally and are willing to wield that power in capricious and petty ways is deeply upsetting.

But what is more horrifying for me is that apparently this administration remains representative of a large section of the US population - with seemingly unshakeable approval by between 40% and 50% of the US adult population according to polls.

I love the US, have friends and family there, have a first cousin in the marines, grandfather born there, etc., and have visited many many times and just find it difficult to reconcile my positive experiences with the place and people with the idea that more than 4 out of 10 US adults could approve of the cruel and vindictive actions of this administration. I'm not being over dramatic by stating that it has genuinely shaken my world-view and belief in the innate goodness of humanity.

thinkingtoilet a day ago | parent | next [-]

A lot of people in the US, especially the Christian Trump supporters are nice but not kind. They will say hi, they will smile, they ask if you need anything, then they will happily defend the deportation of innocent people to secret prisons in foreign countries without any sort of due process. They will offer to bring you soup while your sick but will fight tooth and nail to make sure you don't have affordable health care. The list goes on and on...

spicyusername a day ago | parent | next [-]

I think they are just nice and ignorant, honestly.

So many I interact with are just simply unaware and vote based on their discomfort with urban liberal culture. That's it. The blue hair and the pronouns made them feel weird, so they voted the other way.

UncleMeat a day ago | parent | next [-]

Some, sure.

My aunt is a conservative lobbyist and a drunk. She drinks a bunch of vodka and then texts me and my family about all of the violence that is going to be done to people she hates (including some groups that people in my family belong to). This isn't "blue hair makes me feel weird." This is "I want college professors to be shot." Those are the texts I receive.

gitremote a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

On top of that, they lack the streets smarts that people living in high population density areas (that is, cities) develop for seeing through scammers and conmen. City people can tell that other city people are untrustworthy when they are hypocrites or caught in a lie. Rural folk seem to just distrust city folk vibes, and get tricked by lying, hypocritical politicians who use classic door-to-door salesman tactics like wearing a suit, appearing rich, and speaking confidently.

Edit: Street smarts isn't just about dealing with people on the streets. It's also recognizing which of your office coworkers in a competitive work environment are lying or misleading others to personally benefit via performance reviews and promotions. You contrast this with meeting other city people with tattoos, piercings, dark skin, or bending gender, and you figure out that red flags have nothing to do with superficial appearance.

const_cast a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The uncomfortable reality I've had to face is that a lot of these people really, genuinely, enjoy other people suffering.

I think it comes from a place of the American vision of work. This idea that things that are good don't come easy, and that it requires sacrifice. That if some people aren't getting hurt, then it's not working.

So they view these people getting hurt as a good thing. They use terms like "bleed" to describe the executive agencies getting gutted. They have a medieval view of it, like blood letting is a legitimate solution to problems. That, because there are tears and suffering, something of substance must be getting accomplished.

But sometimes bad things are just bad. And sometimes good things don't require suffering. They don't understand that.

trinsic2 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That's been my experience as well. There is a large population of uneducated people (At least in terms of critical thinking) in the US that are not able to understand the impact of what is happening regarding what this administration is doing. And I think this is by design as the attacks on educational systems are increasing.

stogot a day ago | parent [-]

I’ve had many conversations that amount to “I’d agree that illegal citizens should not have entered the country and maybe deportation is the correct recourse” (even from immigrants) but if they saw how the inhumanity of how deportations happened they’d be appalled. The government could be nicer to humans, but it’s a government

tremon a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't buy that. They have allowed their ignorance to be weaponised against the entire country, and if they refuse to acknowledge that, they are complicit in its destruction.

stogot a day ago | parent [-]

If you work two jobs to make ends meet, and get home at 11pm to fall asleep watching a low budget film on Netflix with ads, when are you going to have time to read non-partisan news and form an educated anger? Ignorance is a bigger driver than informed complicitness

Huxley was right

myvoiceismypass a day ago | parent [-]

Not enough time to read non-partisan news, but plenty of time to read facebook, watch tik tok, and soak / embrace up all the ridiculous "the trans immigrants are coming to eat your pets and fuck your kids" ads targeted at them.

a day ago | parent [-]
[deleted]
nwsm a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You're completing brushing over the rampant racism and xenophobia in white conservative America.

gitremote a day ago | parent [-]

That's the "urban" part.

jrgd a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Discomfort? Omg :) Yet it’s not taking anything to anyone, it’s not costing them anything and if they don’t feel the need to state pronouns nobody is going to force them to do so… so why refuse a little acceptance to the Other. A while back, some got crucified for having different ideas… Happy Easter to those who celebrate and a happy weekend to all others :)

ndsipa_pomu a day ago | parent | prev [-]

If they have that kind of attitude, then they are not "Christian" as Jesus very explicitly welcomed strangers and notably made a point of healing people without asking for payment.

krapp a day ago | parent [-]

A system is what it does, not what the spec says it should do, and "Christianity" is what Christians do.

American Evangelicals and Trump supporters are no less Christian than Catholics during the Crusades and Inquisition. That is the system.

ndsipa_pomu a day ago | parent [-]

I would say that the "system" of organised religion is very broken and goes against the teachings of Jesus. As far as I can tell, Trump is probably the closest figure to the anti-christ in terms of his greed and lack of charity.

Personally, I don't think that the organised Catholic church was about following Jesus' teachings, but more about consolidating wealth and power. It's disingenuous to call it "Christianity" if it just chooses convenient parts to follow. I mean, Jesus was very specific about not amassing wealth.

krapp a day ago | parent [-]

Jesus was a Jew preaching within a framework of Judaism which he clearly believed in and claimed authority from.

That framework rejected him, and I can sympathize with arguments that the system of "Christianity" that developed was not the system he intended, but I don't think it would be accurate to describe Jesus as anti-system per se.

Either way, any definition of Christianity that excludes Catholicism or any other organized sect doesn't seem useful.

It's like people defining Capitalism to require pure free markets, just so they can say the US or British Empires never really engaged in Capitalism. It just seems like an exercise in semantics.

ndsipa_pomu a day ago | parent [-]

> It's like people defining Capitalism to require pure free markets, just so they can say the US or British Empires never really engaged in Capitalism. It just seems like an exercise in semantics.

Not quite as real-world Capitalism has an approximation of free markets. I would say that's quite different from "Christians" going against welcoming strangers and feeding/healing the poor. In my view Jesus was against being judgemental, so sects that prioritise being judgemental cause me some cognitive dissonance when they are described as Christian.

BenjiWiebe a day ago | parent [-]

As a Christian, I totally get your cognitive dissonance and agree with you, that Jesus was very much not racist or xenophobic, and instead preached love and compassion.

seydor a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's too early to see visible results of what has happened in less than 100 days. I am confident the approval will rise and fall as swiftly as the price of new iphones.

josefresco a day ago | parent [-]

Approval ratings might fall, but they've installed a system of nearly unchecked power, and have shown a blatant disregard for law. It's probably too late for even the base to affect change without bloodshed.

wizzwizz4 a day ago | parent | next [-]

The flipside of the "states' rights" movement is that the Federal Government is much weaker: so while it's easier to strip away rights and dismantle federal institutions, it's also easier for individuals to oppose the concrete harm that'd cause by working the levers of their local government. https://plush.city/@scarlet/114355949314782873 gives a few concrete things that individuals (not even groups) can do, which might make an outsized difference.

josefresco a day ago | parent [-]

You're right in normal situations, but masked federal agents (HOURS FROM MY HOME) are kidnapping and sending US citizens to foreign gulags. As what point does "states rights" extend to the physical protection of its citizens? Will my local police protect me from the gestapo?

wizzwizz4 a day ago | parent | next [-]

That's the topic of section 9 (quoted below, with minor formatting changes). I recommend reading the whole thing, since it also explains how to raise things, how to follow up in a way that gets them addressed…

---

If you're concerned about ICE, then you'll want to show up at your City or County council and hit the following points -

* Are local police cooperating with ICE?

* Are they following due process?

* What happens when due process isn't followed?

* If ICE isn't following due process, and local police are still coordinating, then how will they keep residents safe?

dingnuts a day ago | parent | prev [-]

US citizens? Plural? Please provide at least two examples. So far I've heard of one legal resident, and zero citizens.

If you have an example, I have people to yell at about it. But I don't think you're correct.

computerthings a day ago | parent [-]

[dead]

spicyusername a day ago | parent | prev [-]

I know things feel dire, and things are certainly very bad for sure, but they have been bad before and things turned around. The Gilded Age comes to mind. Hell, even Nazi Germany didn't last forever.

Don't despair. Do what you can to make the world you want to see, accept the things outside your control, turn off social media, and stay positive!

UncleMeat a day ago | parent | next [-]

When I look back at my family tree there is a massive gaping hole where "killed by the Nazis" sits. "Don't worry we'll get through this" doesn't account for the tombstones of all the people who don't get through it.

hermitcrab a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>Hell, even Nazi Germany didn't last forever.

But they did cause the death of some 70+ million people. And they didn't have nukes.

josefresco a day ago | parent [-]

...or social media.

shadowgovt a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The Gilded Age was followed by the Great Depression.

delusional a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> accept the things outside your control, turn off social media, and stay positive!

Is a crazy statement to see next to

> even Nazi Germany didn't last forever.

DrillShopper a day ago | parent | prev [-]

> Hell, even Nazi Germany didn't last forever.

How'd that work out for the millions slaughtered while the vast majority of the German population (who knew about the death camps) did nothing?

I'm getting pretty sick of this twee bullshit about how "we've come back from worse!". No. Not all of us did. Stop it

jjtheblunt a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> But what is more horrifying for me is that apparently this administration remains representative of a large section of the US population - with seemingly unshakeable approval by between 40% and 50% of the US adult population according to polls.

It’s possible that percentage counts dissatisfaction with the previous administration more than approval for the current one. That is, it might just count people wanting any change.

basejumping a day ago | parent | next [-]

You should then be dissatisfied with both at the same time. When people wish 'any change' they actually wish a change into better, otherwise it's plain stupid.

belorn a day ago | parent | next [-]

It is difficult for people to be unhappy with two choices unless given a third that they can be happy with. When you are either with us or against us, there aren't much people who will be dissatisfied with both at the same time, since that isn't an option given to them.

jjtheblunt a day ago | parent | prev [-]

I agree: it’s strange and misleading statistics seemingly.

K0balt a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It is disheartening to me to observe that the thing that broke the once proud USA, the final straw, the thing that disenfranchised hundreds of millions of people and made them rabid and reactionary (on both sides of the rage algorithm) was a black man in the white house and women on the presidential ballot. The retrograde prejudices so deeply ingrained in the country’s memome that we are still in the throes of an anaphylactic reaction to an acute melatonin allergy.

It doesn’t help that many of us (yes , I mean us, the technorati, the readers and contributors of this vaunted forum) actively and even knowingly participated in making poisonous systems, pocket prohistamines, amplifiers of fears and antagonists of rational thought.

We decry the world we have wrested from decency with our own tender, uncalloused hands, our minds sharpened to create beautiful weapons of mass confusion, elegant and brutal in their viral carapaces, eager to dissolve into the psyche of any unfortunate enough to fall into their dopamine sweetened viciousness.

We created this. Not the politicians, there have always been irrational, brutish, would be populists and morons in suits. That is not new. People with money willing to pay people to build or do malignant things, that is also an ancient malady that society has evolved to bear. We. We made the mind-killers. We, with our cleverness and desire for perfect symmetry manufactured social PCP, and now we are witnessing the fruits of our careless, avaricious labors, shocked and in denial of the damage we have done.

In our defense, we didn’t know. No one had built anything on our idea machines that hooked into the flesh of the human psyche like that before, and at first we didn’t even understand what we were building. But later in the fall, we knew better.

Our algorithms, nanowire sharp in their efficiency, honed to amplify fear and rage while suppressing rational thought, no, those were not made in ignorance, neither in malice, but more in a playful curiosity. The same playful curiosity that made the atom bomb, but at least the physicists could foresee and conceptualize the demon they would create. In contrast, we the technorati are still reeling with surprise and denial, not able to understand the beast that we have conjured from the depths of the human psyche.

We know there is a problem, we know that social media is not helping… so what do we do? We make lame attempts to make new social media platforms, lower in poison, filtered cigarettes. Precision strategic weapons of mass destruction. Low-fat butter.

We need to look in the mirror and get to work figuring how to fix what we broke. The future of humanity is at stake, and we are directly responsible for, knowingly or not, the situation our children are facing.

jjtheblunt a day ago | parent [-]

> a black man in the white house and women on the presidential ballot. The retrograde prejudices so deeply ingrained in the country’s memome that we are still in the throes of an anaphylactic reaction to an acute melatonin allergy.

This is the most obscenely wrong take I can imagine, and I'll gladly explain why I say that.

Your AI-generated response plainly ignores a country in love with Michael Jordan and Whitney Houston for decades, for example, and are choosing skin deep characteristics to fit _your_ narrative, while ignoring the things voters repeatedly emphasized as damning, all of which were color blind: a complete lack of policy by the "woman on the ticket", condescension from Hillary that people not following her directives "need to get over themselves", Obama chastising black men that they must vote as he says. It's a playbook on the alienation of voters.

K0balt a day ago | parent [-]

It’s interesting that you suppose my writing is AI generated? I’ve not seen AI that writes that way, but I suppose you might set it up to emulate a certain style. I’ve also been accused of using AI because I used an em dash. In that case, I guess it’s almost true, because my spell check would have put it there in place of space-dash-space.

FWIW I am morally opposed to publishing AI slop where it might enter the public domain, and while I find my local models useful for organizing thoughts and prepping documents, I do not use AI to write.

But thank you, I guess, for assuming a properly written long form comment must be AI? lol.

On the issue of pervasive racism…. Yes, we have become comfortable with people of color entertaining us, and most have multiple ethnicities both in their background and in their social circles these days… but when Obama took office, you could hear a pin drop in many, many corners of the USA. A black man running the country, representing the nation to the world, was a bridge too far for many, many people.

In my life I have a lot of intersectionality with maga and maga adjacent individuals. The vast majority are racist either openly, covertly, or accidentally, the “I have a black friend” so I can’t be racist types. Xenophobia is a huge driver of the political base… if you can’t see that, IDK what to tell you… but none of that negates the very real issues you spoke of. There were no good choices, really, only maybe less dangerous ones.

Anyway, I hope your day goes well, and be careful about assuming you can dismiss everything you don’t like to read as “AI generated ” and therefore irrelevant. That’s a very dangerous and sloppy cognitive shortcut to remaining ignorant of anything outside your echo chamber. Relatable though, I think we’re all a little traumatized ATM.

JCattheATM 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> while I find my local models useful for organizing thoughts and prepping documents

What did you train them on, just your own docs?

jjtheblunt 16 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Well said, and apologies for assuming you’d phrased using ai. Looks like we’re describing near overlap, and i suspect i know more independently voting people than the maga sorts you have seen. The large number of independents i know voted against the race-baiting tactics shown by Obama in chastising minorities if not voting as he deemed appropriate, and similarly with Hillary. Anyway none ever mention race of candidates, but voted for the candidates not mentioning race at all. I hope you see the distinction because i found that interesting.

pclmulqdq a day ago | parent | prev [-]

I think it's clear that the approval ratings Trump gets are more about disapproval of the rest of politics. When you have every politician getting rich somehow while your life gets worse and worse, a lot of people will want all politicians punished. Trump is that punishment, and many people are excited to see the political and professional classes suffer. That is the approval rating.

notahacker a day ago | parent [-]

The irony being that Trump enriches himself and rewards politicians [mainstream or otherwise] for corruption to a greater extent than any previous politician, and doesn't even try to hide it. The people that are happy their savings and/or chances of making rent next week are being eroded to enrich Trump insiders because at least random mid level professionals and Hispanic people with autism awareness tattoos are suffering more deserve everything they get.

pm90 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

To a certain extent this is a result of living in a media ecosystem where most of the population doesn’t actually see an unbiased reporting of facts but whatever is shown to them by certain right wing news networks. But I do agree at some point people need to take responsibility for their information diet.

Fwiw media manipulation of American opinion isn’t new, its been a huge part of how America works since at least the Spanish American war of 1896.

intended a day ago | parent | next [-]

Bias is what exists on the left.

Monopoly and capture is what happened to the right. Theres a reason republicans march and Dems debate.

The republican strategists build this advantage over decades, it’s not the work of a single term. It’s a captured market of ideas, tariffs if you will. No competition from actual debates.

That’s why you can sell contradictory ideas within hours of each other, and never be called out for it. It’s why you can sell debates on Tan suits or prop up bogeymen, and never deal with debate.

This is news media. Eventually Fox wasn’t the sole juggernaut, and the techniques got adopted for online debates.

It’s been so wildly successful in building a reliable political voting bloc, that every political party in the world took notes.

LastTrain a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There is no such thing as unbiased reporting of facts. People not understanding that, and the fact that there is nothing inherently wrong with bias, is a big part of the problem.

pyrale a day ago | parent | next [-]

You can be biased but adopt a systematic methodology and a deontology system, both of which help journalists mitigate their bias and produce quality reporting.

The big issue with the current news ecosystem and social media is their complete disregard for this methodology. By discarding the journalistic methodology, they make themselves propagandists, not journalists.

sheepdestroyer a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Objective reality, it exists.

Telling your audience obviously false / anti-factual lies, without any regard for fact checking, is not just "biased reporting". And it is inherently wrong, malevolent, evil.

Anyway, I'm amazed each time I hear right wingers who did not get the joke seemingly complaining about how Reality has a left leaning political bias...

LastTrain a day ago | parent [-]

Lying is not the same as bias. That is the problem, people often conflate the two.

ANarrativeApe a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Is that a fact?

card_zero a day ago | parent [-]

Presumably yes but subject to benign bias.

SkyBelow a day ago | parent | prev [-]

What if there is something inherently wrong with bias, but there is also no possibility to solve it. I see people operating under the idea that if there is something inherently wrong, then there must exist some solution to that inherent wrongness. What if the underlying issue is that there are flaws in humans that cannot be fixed and any attempt to manage is going to still leave some victims of the issue unprotected?

AlexandrB a day ago | parent | prev [-]

[flagged]

smallmancontrov a day ago | parent | next [-]

Fox and MSNBC are relentlessly partisan, but CNN aims for the center and misses. There's a big difference, and it's wild that Republicans got away with pretending that CNN was in the Fox/MSNBC tier just by repeating it as dogma until in their own minds it became true.

pclmulqdq a day ago | parent | next [-]

CNN joined that tier around 2018 for the ratings, then tried to un-join that tier. It didn't work.

hobs a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Fox's main approach - repeating anything that's a lie as dogma until its parroted as core truth by their audience, then saying they are opinion and not news so everyone knows not to take them seriously.

r721 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What about trying to be in the middle/upper part of this chart?

https://adfontesmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Media-B...

QuadmasterXLII a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The adults are talking, shh.

card_zero a day ago | parent [-]

What is their reply?

xocnad a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Where did you see any reference to any source or lean in what you replied to? You are projecting your viewpoint on which is good or bad.

lo_zamoyski a day ago | parent [-]

Don’t be disingenuous. The phrase “certain right wing news networks” is pretty clear in an American context.

Applejinx a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Bear in mind that a lot of people took pains to not look at their candidate too closely, to the point where a (slim) voting majority wasn't showing up to rallies etc. during the campaign. One might see this as signs of their being fake, but it could also be suggestive that they didn't want to come out and see where their guy was really at. They voted for the IDEA of him and what they figured he represented, and were indulged in those beliefs as hard as possible.

So this 'approval' is sort of phantom approval. It's approval of a fantasy man who doesn't track too closely with the reality of what's actually happening.

The point where people pay heavily for their erroneous beliefs, for instance by losing their retirements and savings, is a point where people re-evaluate.

intended a day ago | parent | next [-]

Sure. There’s many reasons to vote for Trump.

Now, someone has to act to deal with reality. This is pretty much the job of every adult in america.

I suspect this is why Vance has been so over the top as well. I think he expects Trump to get impeached, and take over the party faithful. This is an idle musings though.

scarface_74 a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Everyone who voted for Trump knew exactly what they were getting or should have known. He was in office for four years. 40% of the people know what he is doing and approve of it.

shadowgovt a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Something interesting to watch about the current executive is he never talks about the future concretely.

Keep an eye on his rhetoric. He'll talk in broad strokes, bright-shining-future abstracts... But he never talks about anything specific. Never about how any specific policy will create a specific good outcome. No concrete ideation.

An idea that has been floated on this topic is that he's not actually capable of imagining such a future because he won't be in it (one way or the other; dude's 78).

It makes him dangerous. He can accidentally destroy something he can't even conceive of existing.

layer8 a day ago | parent [-]

He'll likely live another 15 years or so. I'm pretty sure he's imagining a future for himself. He's talking about a third term, which means at least eight years of "future". He also has children whose continued success he probably cares about. That said, I agree that he doesn't seem interested in building anything but his personal kingdom (including walls to protect it).

shadowgovt a day ago | parent [-]

> He also has children whose continued success he probably cares about.

Does he ever talk about them using anything other than abstract platitudes like "great?"

FireBeyond a day ago | parent [-]

Well, "If she wasn't my daughter I'd probably be dating her" is a bit more on the specific side...

tpmoney a day ago | parent | prev [-]

> But what is more horrifying for me is that apparently this administration remains representative of a large section of the US population - with seemingly unshakeable approval by between 40% and 50% of the US adult population according to polls

I feel this is largely a consequence of decades of overwrought hyperventilating about all things politics and a lot of crying wolf. Every republican candidate has been the next Hitler, every democratic candidate has been the next anti-christ. Every 4 years we go through this song and dance predicting the end of the world and untold human suffering and every 4 years life went on with barely a change. Why would people expect this time to actually be different? Why would they expect that this time the stories of corruption and abuse of power are actually true and being reported without ridiculous embellishment? Why would anyone who voted for Trump in the first place think that reports of abuse of power from the side of American politics that coined “chimpler” as a nickname for W. Bush would be sincere about Trump?

I agree with you that I think more people should be more concerned than they are. I just don’t think it’s all that surprising either. The lesson of the “Boy Who Cried Wolf” is that when the wolf finally comes, no one will believe you. Of course the other lesson is that eventually the wolf does come. It didn’t work out so well for the village, and it might not work out so well for us either.

alabastervlog a day ago | parent [-]

The thing is, there has been a wolf. It's now eating us, and the time to stop it is gone. But sure, it's the fault of the people who correctly told you there was a wolf, and that it's been coming closer and looking hungrier and hungrier since the '70s.

tpmoney a day ago | parent [-]

You seem to have missed the point. For one, I’m not telling you this is a good thing or that this is how it ought to be. For two, even in the fable the wolf was real in the end. The problem is, the wolf wasn’t real the last time, or the time before that. Or the time before that. Or the time before that. You can quibble over whether prior politicians were heralds of the wolf or not, but that wasn’t the message. The message was that the wolf was at the gates. And when no wolf materialized, people grew resistant to the idea of the cries ever having meaning. So now we have a wolf, and the problem we are facing is that the people who we need to convince that the wolf is real have no reason at all to believe us until their sheep are being eaten by a wolf in front of them. So how do you convince someone that has no incentive to believe you that this time you’re telling the truth? That’s the problem to be solved. Everything else is just a side show.

yellowdrone a day ago | parent | next [-]

I think you misunderstood the prior poster. In the story the boy just made the wolf up the first couple of times, there were no signs beforehand. The prior poster seems to believe that the republicans were doing something bad beforehand, which is now escalating and thus a direct consequence of what came before. That would be more like if the boy found wolf droppings and pointed to those, which would not make him a liar anymore.

alabastervlog a day ago | parent | prev [-]

> So how do you convince someone that has no incentive to believe you that this time you’re telling the truth?

Irrelevant, it's too late. We can only hope for enough economic turmoil, fast enough, that it triggers mass riots.

tpmoney a day ago | parent [-]

So then like I said, the sheep will be eaten. One then must hope they aren’t on the menu, and suddenly the “deafening silence” of various people makes a lot of sense. If the only answer is to wait until enough sheep are eaten for the village to finally get its act together, most people aren’t going to volunteer to be one of the sheep sacrificed.