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dmwilcox 2 days ago

Mmmm well my meatsuit can't easily make my own heart quiver the wrong way and kill me. Computers can treat data as code and code as data all pretty easily. It's core to several languages (like lisp). As such making illegal instructions or violating the straightjacket of a system such an "intelligence" would operate in is likely. If you could make an intelligent process, what would it think of an operating system kernel (the thing you have to ask for everything, io memory, etc)? Does the "intelligent" process fear for itself when it's going to get descheduled? What is the bitpattern for fear? Can you imagine an intelligent process in such a place, as static representation of data in ram? To get write something down you call out to a library and maybe the CPU switches out to a brk system call to map more virtual memory? It all sounds frankly ridiculous. I think AGI proponents fundamentally misunderstand how a computer works and are engaging in magical thinking and taking the market for a ride.

I think it's less about the randomness and more about that all the functionality of a computer is defined up front, in software, in training, in hardware. Sure you can add randomness and pick between two paths randomly but a computer couldn't spontaneously pick to go down a path that wasn't defined for it.

krisoft 15 hours ago | parent [-]

> Mmmm well my meatsuit can't easily make my own heart quiver the wrong way and kill me.

It very much can. Jump scares, deep grief are known to cause heart attacks. It is called stress cardiomyopathy. Or your meatsuit can indiredtly do that by ingesting the wrong chemicals.

> If you could make an intelligent process, what would it think of an operating system kernel

Idk. What do you think of your hypothalamus? It can make you unconscious at any time. It in fact makes you unconscious about once a day. Do you fear it? What if one day it won’t wake you up? Or what if it jacks up your internal body temperature and cooks you alive from the inside? It can do that!

Now you might say you don’t worry about that, because through your long life your hypothalamus proved to be reliable. It predictably does what it needs to do, to keep you alive. And you would be right. Your higher cognitive functions have a good working relationship with your lower level processes.

Similarly for an AGI to be inteligent it needs to have a good working relationship with the hardware it is running on. That means that if the kernel is temperamental and idk descheduling the higher level AGI process then the AGI will mallfunction and not appear that inteligent. Same as if you meet Albert Einstein while he is chemically put to sleep. He won’t appear inteligent at all! At best he will be just drooling there.

> Can you imagine an intelligent process in such a place, as static representation of data in ram?

Yes. You can’t? This is not really a convincing argument.

> It all sounds frankly ridiculous.

I think what you are doing is that you are looking at implementation details and feeling a disconnect between that and the possibility of inteligence. Do you feel the same ridiculousnes about a meatblob doing things and appearing inteligent?

> a computer couldn't spontaneously pick to go down a path that wasn't defined for it.

Can you?