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> trying to get everyone to filter

We never needed everyone to filter, just parents busy lobbying the government to impose crap onto every possible service and website across the entire world.

Instead, they should purchase devices for their kids that have a child-lock and client-side filters. All sites have to do is add an HTTP header loosely characterizing it's content.

1. Most of the dollar costs of making it all happen will be paid by the people who actually need/use the feature.

2. No toxic Orwellian panopticon.

3. Key enforcement falls into a realm non-technical parents can actually observe and act upon: What device is little Timmy holding?

4. Every site in the world will not need a monthly update to handle Elbonia's rite of manhood on the 17th lunar year to make it permitted to see bare ankles. Instead, parents of that region/religion can download their own damn plugin.

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rapind 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

There's a peer / social issue at play as well though. If you believe that smart phones are disastrous for kids (I happen to think so), and don't allow your 13yo daughter to have one, you are pretty much forcing her to be the odd one out. Maybe that's OK for some parents, but you can't deny that this cost exists.

Preventing your son from playing certain video games that all of his friends enjoy also has a social cost.

This is why I think it's great when schools ban phones in class. When left up to the parents individually it's an absolute disaster.

These are just some specific examples of where I the nanny state can be beneficial. For most things in general though I'd also prefer people govern themselves (and their kids) whenever possible.

	▲	iteria 5 days ago \| parent \| next [-]
		So does being vegetarian or vegan. So does being not the dominant culture in any aspect of life. That's a decision for parents to make and honestly "they'll be left out" is such a crap parenting take. Especially since it's a bunch of parents together who don't want their kid to have access thinking this together. If they actually talked to each each or just made a stand so people could see, we wouldn't even have this so called social cost. I'm seeing this as a parent in real time. I'm actually changing my kid's friend's parent behaviors by simply being like, "Cool. But my kid isn't/is going to do that" I don't know when parenting happened by social committee, but I don't believe in it.
	▲	Terr_ 5 days ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		> This is why I think it's great when schools ban phones in class. Agreed on the classroom angle, there are many reasons (e.g. cheating, concentration) to treat the availability of devices in a uniform way there. > If you believe that smart phones are disastrous for kids A focus on the handheld device also makes it easier to handle other related concerns that can't really be solved any other way, like "no social-media after bedtime."
	▲	RHSeeger 5 days ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		It's important to teach our children that different people have different restrictions. Some of my daughter's friends have no phone. One of them has no phone, but does have a tablet. To the best of my knowledge, none of them are ostracized by the group. I mean, I've seen them hanging out at our house and other places.
	▲	anon84873628 4 days ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		In other words it is a multi-agent coordination problem from game theory. You can have an outside force change the rules, or you can figure out how to collaborate/compete within the game.
	▲	lupusreal 4 days ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		> This is why I think it's great when schools ban phones in class. This was the absolute norm in the 00s when cellphones became common and cheap enough for teens to often have one. If you were seen with a phone out it would be confiscated. At some point schools apparently just gave up and only a few are starting to rediscover the policy as though it's a novel idea. What the fuck happened? When exactly did this transition happen?

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graemep 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> just parents busy lobbying the government to impose crap onto every possible service and website across the entire world.

Its not parents, primarily.

IMO the pressure comes from a few lobby groups, media scares, companies with age verification products to sell and big tech - the last because it imposes compliance costs that removes competition, and new entrants in particular.

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anon84873628 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Ah, the old "all we have to do" solution to complex technical problems. "Just" design it this way!