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fkyoureadthedoc 6 days ago

It has to be acknowledged that some things, like social media and pornography, are harmful to children. "Maintain the status quo" isn't an attractive response to that. ID laws are not a perfect solution, maybe not even a good one.

You undermine your whole point by pretending VPNs are going to make the whole thing moot. Why do you care when you won't be affected because you can just use a VPN? Why does pornhub make such a fuss when their users can just use a VPN? Because in reality, introducing that much friction will stop a lot of people.

ajsnigrutin 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

ID laws are the end goal, the children and porn are just an excuse to get ID laws, which would give the governments a lot more control over the internet and social networks. Just imagin someone like Trump/Ursula requesting full list of names of everyone criticizing them on eg reddit (because reddit has porn, and you'd have to show your ID to be able to use reddit, because of your reasons). This is objectively bad for the people and for the internet.

Parenting is a good solution, not just giving the kids tablets so they stay quiet. Yes, kids are curious, kids will still find porn, ID laws or not, but parents should teach them and limit their access, not IDs on discord.

And of course porhub is making a fuss, are you, an (assuming an) adult going to go to your telco with your ID and say "hi, i'm John, i want to watch porn and jerk off, but you need to see my ID first"? Or will you find some other alternatives, where pornhub doesn't earn that money?

fkyoureadthedoc 5 days ago | parent [-]

> Parenting is a good solution

Yes, to most of society's problems. Yet they persist.

alexey-salmin 5 days ago | parent [-]

So? They equally persist in the face of endless laws, I don't see how it follows that piling more laws on top is a better idea than deferring this to parents.

fkyoureadthedoc 5 days ago | parent [-]

Parenting was the answer to kids not wearing their seatbelt, and getting maimed and killed by very survivable accidents. Simply teach your kids to wear their seatbelt. Yet seatbelt laws reduced fatality (8%) and serious injury (9%) in kids. It follows that "piling" such a law "on top", one that people decried as unconstitutional, was a better idea than deferring to the parents.

https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w13408/w134...

Hizonner 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

> It has to be acknowledged that some things, like social media and pornography, are harmful to children.

It only "has to be acknowledged" if it's true. The "evidence" for either of those, but especially social media (as if that were even a single well defined thing to begin with) is pretty damned shakey. Nobody "has to acknowledge" your personal prejudices.

fkyoureadthedoc 5 days ago | parent [-]

You've convinced me that pornography is, in fact, beneficial to children. What was I thinking? Thank you for your reply.

Hizonner 5 days ago | parent [-]

Nice try, but the burden of proof for your assertion is still on you.

fkyoureadthedoc 5 days ago | parent [-]

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