| ▲ | woodrowbarlow 5 days ago |
| <tin-foil-hat> ultimately, i think the endgame is to require government ID in order to access internet services in general, a la ender's game. </tin-foil-hat> |
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| ▲ | like_any_other 5 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| Many countries (including in the EU) already required ID to use a SIM card: https://forestvpn.com/blog/news/countries-sim-card-registrat... Funnily enough, when the Philippines did this, it was decried as a violation of human rights [1]. But usually, media are so silent on such things I'd call them complicit. One already cannot so much as rent a hotel room anywhere in the EU without showing government ID. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIM_Registration_Act |
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| ▲ | sensanaty 5 days ago | parent | next [-] | | I'm in NL and had my wallet fall out of my pocket once at one of the bigger train stations. I realized within ~5 minutes, and basically as soon as I realized got a call from an anonymous number. It was the police, who had found my wallet with my ID in it and were calling me to inform me about it. Luckily I was still at the station and could just meet them and got my wallet back. I couldn't help but feel extremely creeped out, and my girlfriend still to this day doesn't understand why I felt uneasy about it. "But you got your wallet back!", she says. "Of course the police know your number!". Having 0 privacy has been completely normalized, and I'm afraid we're far too late to do anything about it. | | |
| ▲ | weberer 5 days ago | parent [-] | | To be fair, your phone number has never been considered private information. You can open any phone book and find that info. They likely just looked up your name in the population register. |
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| ▲ | woodrowbarlow 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | yup, and this gives the ability to look up per-citizen location data. sidebar: i've been trying to raise awareness about "joint communications and sensing" wherever i can lately; many companies involved in 6G standardization (esp. nokia) want the 6G network to use mmWave radio to create realtime 3d environment mappings, aka a "digital twin" of the physical world, aka a surveillance state's wet dream. https://www.nokia.com/blog/building-a-network-with-a-sixth-s... | |
| ▲ | miohtama 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Not only rent, but in Spain there is a central database where your details are sucked in real time when you rent a room or a car, and no oversight how this data is used. | |
| ▲ | xvokcarts 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | You can buy (and top up) a SIM card without an ID in the EU. | | |
| ▲ | Muromec 5 days ago | parent [-] | | That depends on a country and for once there is no visible pattern or usual suspects in who requires it or not |
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| ▲ | raspyberr 5 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Please walk me from scratch how you would access the internet on your own right now without any form of Government ID |
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| ▲ | zeta0134 5 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Walk into a coffee shop. Look at the wifi password, usually a sign near the register. Log onto the wifi network using the wifi password. Browse in peace. Is this sort of flow normal elsewhere? It's certainly normal where I live. | |
| ▲ | squigz 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | ??? I'd walk to a local library and use their wifi. Or walk to a local McDonalds and use their wifi. Or walk to a friend's/family's house and use their wifi. Or... | | |
| ▲ | bitmasher9 5 days ago | parent [-] | | I know right. There are entire business models where “comfortable place to connect to WiFi” is an important part of the strategy. |
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| ▲ | toast0 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I'm in the US. I do have government ID, but I don't recall showing it to my network providers. Certainly, some telcos want a social security number to run credit; but that's often avoidable. I'm pretty sure could also wander down to an electronics store (maybe a grocery/drug store too) and pick up a prepaid cell phone with internet access, pay for it with cash, and get that going without government id in the US. It's a bit of a hike to get to the electronics store from where I live, but I can get part of the way there with the bus that takes cash too. | |
| ▲ | Symbiote 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Prepaid SIM from one of the EU countries that still has them, such as Denmark. Purchase in cash from a kiosk. | |
| ▲ | whoopdedo 5 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Prepaid 5G phone bought with cash and activated by dialing 611. |
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