| ▲ | Lammy 3 days ago |
| This sucks. I'm actually so sick of mandatory TLS. All we did was get Google Analytics and all the other spyware running “““securely””” while making it that much harder for any regular person to host anything online. This will push people even further into the arms of the walled gardens as they decide they don't want to deal with the churn and give up. |
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| ▲ | ShakataGaNai 3 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| First.... 99% of people have zero interest in hosting things themselves anyways. Like on their own server themselves. Geocities era was possibly the first and last time that "having your own page" was cool, and that was basically killed by social media. As for certs... maybe at the start it was hard, but it's really quite easy to host things online, with a valid certificate. There are many CDN services like Cloudflare which will handle it for you. There are also application proxies like Traefik and Caddy which will get certs for you. Most people who want their own site today, will use Kinsta or SquareSpace or GitHub pages any one of thousands of page/site hosting services. All of whom have a system for certificates that is so easy to use, most people don't even realize it is happening. |
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| ▲ | Lammy 3 days ago | parent [-] | | lol at recommending Cloudflare and Microsoft (Github) in response to a comment decrying spyware Every single thing you mentioned is plugged in to the tier-1 surveillance brokers. I am talking plain files on single server shoved in a closet, or cheap VPS. I don't often say this but I really don't think you “get” it. | | |
| ▲ | jonathantf2 3 days ago | parent [-] | | A "regular person" won't/can't deal with a server, VPS, anything like that. They'll go to GoDaddy because they saw an advert on the TV for "websites". | | |
| ▲ | Lammy 3 days ago | parent [-] | | They absolutely can deal with the one-time setup of one single thing that's easy to set up auto-pay for. It's so many additional concepts when you add in the ACME challenge/response because now you have to learn sysadmin-type skills to care for a periodic process, users/groups for who-runs-what-process and who-owns-what-cert-files, software updates to chase LE/ACME changes or else all your stuff breaks, etc. Your attitude is so dismissive to the general public. We should be encouraging people to learn the little bits they want to learn to achieve something small, and instead we are building this ivory tower all-or-nothing stack. For what, job security? Bad mindset. |
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| ▲ | ezfe 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Lol this is literally not true. I've set up self-hosted websites with no knowledge (just reading tutorials) and TLS is by far not the hardest step. |
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| ▲ | Lammy 3 days ago | parent [-] | | A brand-new setup is not relevant to what I'm talking about. Try ignoring your entire infrastructure for a few years and see if you still think that lol |
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