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▲ jajko 5 days ago

Ads work on you? A serious question.

They ellicit so much immediate mental resistance on my side (coupled with ads-free life mostly via Firefox & ublock origin that propagates way beyond just blocks of static ads, ie no youtube ads at all) that any of those rare times I experience them, I add some small amount of hate towards given brand & product.

Somehow, brands that invest heavily in pushy ads tend not to be my main focus anyway so google et al just keep missing badly with me.

Something about preserving moral integrity, not subject to external manipulation etc. Subtle but powerful aspects of existence

▲csa 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

> Ads work on you? A serious question. They ellicit so much immediate mental resistance on my side

The ads that work on folks like you are almost certainly the ones that you don’t notice or maybe barely notice.

This is fantastically difficult to prove without a fairly invasive tracking of someone’s life over time.

That said, really good mentalists are masters of this type of shaping of one’s thinking — Derren Brown has videos on this.

▲2muchcoffeeman 5 days ago | parent [-]

I think you still need to be open to the product they are selling.

I always buy soda in this order: Cherry Dr Pepper, Dr Pepper, Cherry Coke, Coke, something with a fake grape flavour, maybe something else if none of those exist or water.

People have tried to convince me that soda ads work on me but my receipts say otherwise.

If you were advertising new chip flavours. Yeah, I’d try that at least once.

▲csa 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

> I think you still need to be open to the product they are selling.

Generally speaking, yes.

That said, many people spend money or will spend money on things that aren’t for themselves.

> I always buy soda in this order: Cherry Dr Pepper, Dr Pepper, Cherry Coke, Coke, something with a fake grape flavour, maybe something else if none of those exist or water.

If this is your list, then (most) ads for sodas aren’t targeting you to buy sodas for yourself.

Every ad doesn’t need to address every viewer of the ad, nor should it.

Additionally, converting a viewer to a direct sale is not always the goal of an ad. Moving someone from a “cold lead” to a “warm lead” (e.g., through brand recognition, brand identity, etc.) are frequently the main goal of a given ad or ad campaign, especially ads that aren’t super targeted.

▲2muchcoffeeman 5 days ago | parent [-]

If this is your list, then (most) ads for sodas aren’t targeting you to buy sodas for yourself.

Ok. But if I’m buying for someone else, I’m asking them what to buy.

Left to my own devices I will never buy “off list” except if I come across some weird thing that I’ve never heard of.

In this way, these ads “don’t work on me.”

▲lblume 4 days ago | parent [-]

Do you have and maintain these lists for all product categories you buy regularly? A well-maintained ordering of product options for most of these groups would be highly impressive and certainly make you more resistant, but I doubt the extra effort would be really worth it to most.

▲2muchcoffeeman 4 days ago | parent [-]

Obviously not. But people always retort “of course ads work on you. Maybe it’s just in subtle ways!”

No. They don’t always work. I provided a very clear example.

▲csa 4 days ago | parent [-]

> But people always retort “of course ads work on you. Maybe it’s just in subtle ways!” No. They don’t always work. I provided a very clear example.

The example you provided is a specific case for a specific type of ad as it relates to a specific person.

When someone with experience in ads says “ads work on you”, the meaning isn’t “every ad works on you” or “any ad can work on you”, rather we mean “there are certainly some ads that work on you”.

Some simple examples, some using your soda reference, some not:

- Ads for Dr Pepper might increase your consumption of Dr Pepper. That would be a successful ad or ad campaign that worked on you. There are relatively easy ways to track how much mass media ad campaigns (i.e., no detailed ad tracking) impacts things like sales. The attribution isn’t at the individual level, but it certainly can be said that an ad worked on some people by increasing sales (lots of statistics in the estimates, but the results are fairly reliable).

- Submarine articles work. Examples are the “chocolate/coffee is good/bad for your health” type of articles. This can even get more subversive by influencing primary sources like when the grain lobby somehow got the federal government to create the food pyramid with a truckload of carbs at the base. Ditto with the tobacco industry and smoking. All of that crap is marketing that led to stealth ads and naturally occurring submarine pieces. Unless you don’t read or watch any news, you are exposed to this, and it probably influences your opinions and actions at the margin.

- It’s possible to be hyper-vigilant in a way that prevents most ads online, but they are almost impossible to escape unless one self-excludes from a lot of online services. I’m one of those “ad blocker types”, but I still get some flavor of ads on Amazon once I log in. Amazon ads are some of the most profitable mass delivered ads in the US. Do they work on me? Sort of. I don’t click on the paid ads, but I’ve certainly searched for and ended up purchasing products that were shown in ads. The ad was effective in accessing me during my “product discovery” phase.

I could go on, but I’m not sure it’s necessary.

If you want to construct narrow examples that ads aren’t effective on you, then that’s relatively easy to do, and it’s easy to do for most people.

But you can’t construct a context in which you aren’t influenced by some ads on some topics unless you simply isolate yourself from media and society.

If you think you can, then you’re fooling yourself.

Your narrative so far has been “look at my narrow example… hah hah… ads don’t work on me”. Meanwhile, the ad industry is influencing you in ways that you are or seem to be oblivious to.

As i said before, it would take a fairly invasive shadowing of you in your day-to-day life to figure out which specific ads or category of ads either do or might influence you, but i assure you that it’s happening.

▲drbojingle 2 days ago | parent [-]

Doesn't "some ads work on you" just translate to "you have interests"? Or are you suggesting the ad itself does "something" to people that wouldn't have happened if they saw the content of the ad some other way?

▲csa 2 days ago | parent [-]

> Doesn't "some ads work on you" just translate to "you have interests"?

That is not the meaning I give it.

Ads can do a lot of things.

A simple example is to educate/inform. There are certain things I will buy when I know that they are available (e.g., seasonal items). Ads will let me know that they are available.

Other ads can do more ephemeral things like build trust (e.g., many bank/investment type of ads).

There are other things ads can do. Ads and marketing are a well-established field, and explanations of that field can be found online fairly easily.

> Or are you suggesting the ad itself does "something" to people that wouldn't have happened if they saw the content of the ad some other way?

Not sure what you’re saying here.

I will say that ad campaigns do “something” to some people that wouldn’t have happened if they hadn’t seen the ads in the campaign (slightly different than what you wrote).

Rarely will a single ad move the needle unless it’s for a major event like the World Cup final or the Super Bowl.

▲throw0101b 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

> I think you still need to be open to the product they are selling.

It should perhaps be noted that an immediate sale, or an immediate desire to purchase, is not the only goal of advertising:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purchase_funnel

▲burnished 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I feel the same way. But they can still work because at some point you will be buying a product and all else being equal it is likely that you will pick one that seems more familiar, which will be months or years after the irritation fades.

But also I think the knee jerk reaction to ads like that is uncommon, or at least this is the first time I've seen anyone else publicly share this opinion. I think most people see them as a nuisance or a service as opposed to an underhanded attempt at manipulation.

I didnt really understand that at all until I got an ad for things I actually wanted (catalogue from a restaurant supply store, turns out cotton candy machines are surprisingly affordable). Obviously very different in content from most ads but I think it reflected the positive feelings other people must get from some ads where they feel reminded of a thing they like.

▲Tryk 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Tell me 5 cars brands on the top of your head.

▲dpig_ 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

In a restaurant with no menu, name a soda you'd ask for.

▲alganet 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

Soda.

https://www.imigrantesbebidas.com.br/bebida/images/products/...

▲voidUpdate 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Whatever coke or pepsi I can see over the bar, while wondering why I'm in a restaurant with no menu

▲frankvdwaal 4 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I usually just blurt out "cassis", a blackcurrant soda. I for one don't care about which brand. Does that count?

▲syradar 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Since the whole Trump thing: Cuba Cola Zero, Champis Zero, Trocadero Zero, Mino Limonata

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▲CBarkleyU 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Volkswagen, Audi, BMW, Mercedes-Benz, Ford

▲syradar 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Volvo, SAAB, Renault, Volkswagen, Audi

▲axus 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

I prefer to "do my own research". The things I'm supposedly finding independently may also be the result of a marketing effort, if it's subtle enough, so I'm vulnerable to that.

The less I know about something, the more susceptible I am to misinformation. I tend to believe a detailed "product spec sheet", for example.