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▲ Carrok 5 days ago

> I'm not judging anyone for using Amazon instead of buying from a store

Given Amazon's labor practices, maybe you should be.

▲os2warpman 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

What distinguishes how Amazon treats their employees from any other logistics/retail employer?

Union busting? Piss bottles? Intrusive tracking with zero tolerance for shortfalls? Poor safety? Low pay?

That's rampant everywhere.

There are exceptions, but they make the rule and the exceptions only apply to direct employees so you have to dig, take time, do research, verify certifications/audits, spend more money, and wait longer, to truly avoid abusive companies.

Shopping at unionized Costco doesn't count for shit. That gallon of ketchup you bought was made by someone pissing in a bottle on a dangerous production line.

Please note: I'm not saying it's right. It is not right.

What I'm saying is that people SEEM to be saying "Amazon sucks brah <they clap their hands together like they're knocking dust off> I don't use 'em" and then they're shopping at Target, where the distribution centers and stores are filled with poorly-paid workers pissing in bottles in between safety stand downs because an unsupervised and poorly-trained worker died crushed between a manlift and a wall: https://www.sungazette.com/uncategorized/2024/11/muncy-targe...

If anyone wants to compete in the smug olympics, I'm the unholy lovechild of Usain Bolt and Michael Phelps when it comes to only buying union-made/public benefit corporation/domestic/local products.

Simultaneously, I recognize that not everyone makes as much as I do so Walmart or Amazon may be their only option.

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▲scarface_74 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I’m always amused about people criticizing Amazon’s labor practices since they are hiring people directly and based in the US and don’t share the same concern about labor conditions in China where all of manufacturing happens and where RadioShack got its products

▲Carrok 5 days ago | parent [-]

> and don’t share the same concern about labor conditions in China where all of manufacturing happens and where RadioShack got its products

[Citation needed]

We can care about both things.

▲scarface_74 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

So exactly how buying from Radio Shack better than Amazon as far as labor practices downstream from their supply chain?

How many people working in China would find it a dream to work in an Amazon warehouse? I know about Amazon practices second hand from my step son who has both worked in an Amazon warehouse and as a driver.

There have been plenty of stories about small towns having labor shortages and having to increase wages to compete against Amazon warehouse pay because people would rather work there than at a fast food store, daycare, etc.

▲Carrok 5 days ago | parent [-]

So because we can't fix every problem, let's do nothing instead. Got it.

▲scarface_74 5 days ago | parent [-]

Exactly what problem is being “fixed” by being concerned about Amazon workers and not mentioning the Chinese workers? Amazon pays its warehouse workers and drivers $20+ an hour. Radio Shack paid minimum wage + a 1-3% commission and a $5 spiff for signing customers up for a needless warranty. I mentioned earlier that I worked at RS back in the day.

▲nandomrumber 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43696747

That's where you didn't share the concern.

▲pixl97 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

I mean, no not exactly.

Amazon is just one of the nails in the coffin, and if it didn't exist there are still 50 others holding it shut.

We've seen most retail stores fail to convert from a physical to mixed physical+online format.

The number of items a successful electronics store needs is huge. The small mall format wasn't going to work.

▲TulliusCicero 5 days ago | parent [-]

> We've seen most retail stores fail to convert from a physical to mixed physical+online format.

For a while, people were sure Barnes and Noble was doomed, but recently they've done a big turnaround, even opening new stores. Anecdotally, the ones I've been to in recent years do seem nicer and more attractive than previously. Maybe there's a lesson in how they were able to stay alive.

▲TheOtherHobbes 4 days ago | parent [-]

B&N hired James Daunt, former CEO of UK's successful Waterstones book stores. He de-corporatised the company, ripping out central control and management-by-metrics and giving managers and talented staff in each store the chance to build a more personal and local experience.

It helps that books have become Veblen lifestyle collectibles for (mostly) younger women, and there are entire subcultures on social media dedicated to promoting the lifestyle.