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weakfish 5 days ago

Can you elaborate a bit more on the rationalist community’s perceived cults? I’ve only dipped my toes into places like LessWrong, so I am curious what you see there.

jcranmer 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

Rationalism is essentially a tech-flavored self-help movement, and the people who tend to gravitate towards self-help in general tend to be emotionally vulnerable people who are strongly susceptible to cult techniques (there's a reason so many cults start out as self-help movements).

On top of that, given the tech-flavored nature of Rationalism, its adherents seem to gravitate towards strongly utilitarian ethics (evil can be justified if done for a greater good) and an almost messianic relationship towards artificial superintelligence (a good so great it can justify a lot of evil).

Finally, it seems to me that Rationalism is especially prone to producing tedious writers which create insularity (by making it impenetrable to non-insiders) and lots of schisms over minor disputes that, due to insularity, end up festering into something rather more cult-like that demands more immediate and drastic action... like the Zizians.

kelseyfrog 5 days ago | parent [-]

To add a little nuance and a bit of a detour from the original topic, some Rationalists (I'm thinking Scott Alexander) tend to spend a lot of brainpower on negative aspects of AI too - think the alignment problem.

The category of events having near infinite positive or negative outcomes with zero to few examples where it's difficult to establish a base-rate[prior] appears to attract them the most. Conversely, an imagined demonic relationship with a yet to be realized unaligned AI results in a particular existential paranoia that permeates other enclaves of Rationalist discourse.

kelseyfrog 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/pQGFeKvjydztpgnsY/occupation...

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/MnFqyPLqbiKL8nSR7/my-experie...

https://medium.com/@zoecurzi/my-experience-with-leverage-res...

https://maxread.substack.com/p/the-zizians-and-the-rationali...

The last link and especially the second half expands from examining the latest example into the broader landscape of Rationalist cultism.

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Workaccount2 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Probably referring to the Ziz cult which was born out of the rationalist community, which recently murdered bunch of innocent people.

arduanika 5 days ago | parent [-]

Among others.