| ▲ | theturtletalks 6 days ago |
| With these being 1M context size, does that all but confirm that Quasar Alpha and Optimus Alpha were cloaked OpenAI models on OpenRouter? |
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| ▲ | atemerev 6 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| Yes, confirmed by citing Aider benchmarks: https://openai.com/index/gpt-4-1/ Which means that these models are _absolutely_ not SOTA, and Gemini 2.5 pro is much better, and Sonnet is better, and even R1 is better. Sorry Sam, you are losing the game. |
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| ▲ | Tinkeringz 6 days ago | parent [-] | | Aren’t all of these reasoning models? Won’t the reasoning models of openAI benchmarked against these be a test of if Sam is losing? | | |
| ▲ | maeil 6 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Sonnet 3.7 non-reasoning is better on its own. In fact even Sonnet 3.5-v2 is, and that was released 6 months ago. Now to be fair, they're close enough that there will be usecases - especially non-coding - where 4.1 beats it consistently. Also, 4.1 is quite a lot cheaper and faster. Still, OpenAI is clearly behind. | |
| ▲ | atemerev 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | There is no OpenAI model better than R1, reasoning or not (as confirmed by the same Aider benchmark; non-coding tests are less objective, but I think it still holds). With Gemini (current SOTA) and Sonnet (great potential, but tends to overengineer/overdo things) it is debatable, they are probably better than R1 (and all OpenAI models by extension). | |
| ▲ | vitorgrs 6 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Even without reasoning, isn't Deepseek V3 from March better? |
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| ▲ | phoe18 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Yes, OpenRouter confirmed it here - https://x.com/OpenRouterAI/status/1911833662464864452 |
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| ▲ | arvindh-manian 6 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| I think Quasar is fairly confirmed [0] to be OpenAI. [0] https://x.com/OpenAI/status/1911782243640754634 |
