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ethbr1 14 days ago

> Society is your neighbours, your friends, your coworkers, your family, it's you and everyone around you.

That's... incomplete.

Society is the obligations and responsibilities collectively imposed on these people.

It's indicative that part of Thatcher's intent was to remove the obligation of people to each other.

More profitable when choosing to help others is instead at one's discretion...

hgomersall 13 days ago | parent [-]

Really? Does she not say that explicitly?

"It is our duty to look after ourselves and then also to help look after our neighbour and life is a reciprocal business and people have got the entitlements too much in mind without the obligations, because there is no such thing as an entitlement unless someone has first met an obligation [...]"

She certainly puts the framing as individualistic, but I think she very much understood the obligations are a necessary part of the system.

ethbr1 12 days ago | parent [-]

There's a difference between a government-enforced obligation and a moral one.

The latter has never worked at scale to remind the wealthy that they need to look after the societies which allowed them to create that wealth.

hgomersall 12 days ago | parent [-]

Sure, and a big part of the framing that Thatcher used was to emphasise the obligation of those that might need direct support from society, but ignores the obligations of those that have become wealthy from the implicit support. I think the point you are making, which I agree with, is that the obligations are required everywhere, and should be enforced if not forthcoming.