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Maybe I just live in a bubble, but I don't think "the left" has acted as strongly against churches as "the right" has against schools.

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pclmulqdq 10 hours ago | parent [-]

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ceejayoz 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Universities today, though, have a status that religious organizations have never reached. Not only being tax free but also heavily taxpayer-funded, and with a university credential being virtually required for most jobs.

It's almost like they produce something of actual value.

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squigz 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

This is a conversation about American politics, so I don't think how other countries acted is relevant.

The political landscape also changes regularly - I don't think the Republicans of a few decades ago were attacking schools so vigorously, so I'm not sure going further back than that for examples is relevant either.

> efforts of left-wing people in the 60's-90's to reduce their influence on society.

Can you elaborate on this?

I suspect that if you go back not even that long ago, you'd find religious institutions having nearly as much importance, particularly in how faiths would prevent others from joining the workforce or society itself. In any case, I wonder what % of jobs actually do require a university education these days. I would not expect a majority of them to, but maybe I'm wrong.

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pclmulqdq 4 hours ago | parent [-]

In terms of use of hard power against religion: Mandatory prayer in school was outlawed in 1962. Teaching creationism in public schools was banned in 1987. Teaching the Bible (and other religious texts) in public schools is mostly banned. Title VII of the civil rights act prevented employers and many other institutions from discriminating based on religion in 1964. These were all passed by the left.

In terms of soft power: Huge cultural movements (driven by left-leaning people) against church attendance and in favor of atheism really began in the 1960-1990 period. The hippie movement and all things associated with it, as well as the new age movement are big parts of this.

In general, I think you underestimate how much power religion had in 1950's America. It was constantly pushed on young people, and if you wanted to get a good job, you had to have "strong moral character" that was demonstrated by where you went on Sundays.

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squigz 4 hours ago | parent [-]

School prayer was ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court. Does that count as being 'passed by the left'? I'm not sure about the others but thank you for the examples.

> In general, I think you underestimate how much power religion had in 1950's America. It was constantly pushed on young people, and if you wanted to get a good job, you had to have "strong moral character" that was demonstrated by where you went on Sundays.

I don't think I do, because that is basically what I said in my last paragraph :) My point was that religious institutions certainly had a tremendous amount of power and influence not that long ago - in disagreement with you saying that universities have reached a point that religious institutions never have.

	▲	pclmulqdq 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Yes, in those cases, a left-leaning supreme court made a ruling on a case brought by a left-leaning plaintiff with support from left-leaning nonprofits. What I meant there was about the level of state funding and state support. The bachelor's requirement is also more universal than the church requirement was.