> You make bad faith arguments. When someone wants to talk about "capitalism" v. "communism" they typically want to discuss the idea of capitalism and the idea of communism as political enterprises.

This is not quite accurate. Most of the advocates of communism want to contrast the historical instances of capitalism (with all of its visible faults) with the idea of communism (with all of its ideological perfection).

This is exemplified in this particular thread (although present everywhere) by freejazz's statement "So how is the Amazon-economy a more moral choice than communism?"

"Amazon-economy" is capitalism as a real system/historical instances. "Communism" is the idea of communism.

So, the claim that people usually want to discuss the idea of capitalism is false, because they almost invariably argue based off of real-world drawbacks of capitalism. It's not bad faith to then compare those to real-world drawbacks of historical+contemporary instances of communism.

If someone really wants to discuss the idea of communism, they have to elide any mention of specific instances of capitalism (while still taking human factors into account for all theories proposed).

>This is not quite accurate. Most of the advocates of communism want to contrast the historical instances of capitalism (with all of its visible faults) with the idea of communism (with all of its ideological perfection).

I didn't advocate for communism and you are INCREDIBLY obnoxious.