| ▲ | justonceokay a day ago |
| I have multiple family members that are frustrated with higher learning because their children came out of the system more liberal-minded than when they entered. In this politically divided climate they feel like the university system “stole” their children from them. In reality I don’t think people’s political opinions change very much and they are just mad that their children individuated. |
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| ▲ | cosmic_cheese a day ago | parent | next [-] |
| > In reality I don’t think people’s political opinions change very much and they are just mad that their children individuated. I think this probably the case as well. If I look back at how my own views shifted, the shift very likely would’ve happened regardless of if I’d attended university, assuming everything else was the same. It wasn’t the university that resulted in the shift as much as it was my getting out of my local bubble out into the world and experiencing it for myself. Basically any kind of life experience that brings a young person to actually think and more deeply consider the world around them is likely to result in some level of individuation and shift away from inherited views. It’s perfectly natural and healthy. |
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| ▲ | PaulDavisThe1st a day ago | parent [-] | | But the most likely life experiences to do that are ones that put a person in touch with new ideas and new situations. Universities are much better positioned to generate such experiences than, say, most jobs. To some degree, those that have attempted to be at least nominally more diverse (economically/racially/...) are also the sorts of places where students are more likely to meet other people who are not like them in some important ways, and this has always been the sort of experience that preferentially tilts most people towards liberal/progressive ideas. | | |
| ▲ | ralfd 19 hours ago | parent [-] | | I believe students are much more homogenic than you find in school (eg dumb people are around) or in joining the military (you meet conservative people). | | |
| ▲ | PaulDavisThe1st 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | There are many axes on which to measure homogeneity or diversity. I don't think you're wrong about the axes for "academic intelligence" or "political outlook". But those are just two of many. Geographic, racial, economic, class (in the European sense), language, culture .. these are all equally valid, and likely to vary more in a university than in a workplace (even in the military). |
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| ▲ | SoftTalker a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| People's political opinions definitely change, especially with age and wealth. |
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| ▲ | cosmic_cheese a day ago | parent | next [-] | | They do change to some degree, but I believe that age and wealth are not nearly as strong of factors as popular culture might have one think. | | |
| ▲ | SoftTalker 21 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I guess it depends. 40 years later, I vote completely opposite to what I did when I was 18-20 years old. | | |
| ▲ | tomrod 12 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | That sort of breaks out as to personal values versus Overton window. It has been an extreme shift towards authoritarianism in the US -- to the point where case after case of folks with moral courage call it out despite where they stood even 10 years ago. | |
| ▲ | eszed 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Just curious: in which direction on the political spectrum have your preferences moved? |
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| ▲ | musicale 21 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Younger people with student loans, credit card balances, and good health might eventually become older people with retirement savings, investments, and poor health. |
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| ▲ | croes 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The biggest change happens if your mental horizon widens. |
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| ▲ | roenxi 17 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| > In reality I don’t think people’s political opinions change very much and they are just mad that their children individuated. That seems to be missing the elephant in the room - they sent kids in their most formative intellectual years to immerse themselves in a culture where there is a very high child:adult ratio. Then the kids come back with this wild culture that would make a lot of sense to a bunch of teenagers and young adults. It isn't just that the kids individuating, it is dumping them into one of the most elitist, authoritarian and artificial subcultures society maintains - populated mostly by near-juveniles I repeat - giving them independence to form themselves and discovering that dislocates them from their parents subculture. It should be obvious that will happen but parents tend to be pretty dumb. No real training course for parenting I suppose. |
