| ▲ | JKCalhoun a day ago |
| Wild that he is some kind of exception. Rolling over, folding is not the university culture I remember. |
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| ▲ | rincebrain a day ago | parent | next [-] |
| There wasn't, historically, the level of enormous potential negative consequences legally and practically if the universities talked back. Universities, like many institutions, have also become more like large incumbent businesses than previously - e.g. perpetuating their own existence over having strong core values. |
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| ▲ | toddmorey a day ago | parent | next [-] | | This is really well articulated. It's like how a company uses fiduciary responsibility to shareholders to justify a pivot away from some kind of principled stance. | |
| ▲ | Thorrez a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Biden was considering withholding federal funds from schools over their vaccine policies[1], and tried to withhold federal funds from schools based on how they treat transgender students[2], but that was blocked by a judge. Obama did a similar thing regarding transgender students[3]. Things like this are why Hillsdale College rejects all federal funds. So they can do what they want without threat of the government revoking funding[4]. [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/biden-vaccines-delta... [2] https://www.texastribune.org/2024/06/12/texas-title-ix-lgbtq... [3] https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/05/13/477896804... [4] https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2016/07/the-co... | | |
| ▲ | rincebrain a day ago | parent | next [-] | | Sure, but my argument was not "the federal government has never done this", but that "colleges have usually felt secure that this would not be done to them if they defended student protests", or at least, if we're being cynical, "that they would have an opportunity to walk it back if their calculations were incorrect". | |
| ▲ | Aeolun 19 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I don’t feel like the reasons behind this are the same. Biden/Obama: We want you to accept and protect everyone Trump: I want you to deliberately reject certain races and nationalities, and close all the departments studying stuff I don’t like. | | |
| ▲ | Jensson 18 hours ago | parent [-] | | > Trump: I want you to deliberately reject certain races Which race are colleges not allowed to accept? Source for this? | | |
| ▲ | kevingadd 17 hours ago | parent [-] | | The current administration refers to inclusion of PoC and women as "DEI", so when they talk about ending DEI, that's what they mean. See https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/17/defense-depa... for one example where it's particularly blatant. | | |
| ▲ | Jensson 17 hours ago | parent [-] | | > The current administration refers to inclusion of PoC and women as "DEI", so when they talk about ending DEI, that's what they mean. I call bullshit on them wanting to ban women and black people from colleges, that is not what they mean when they say end "DEI", you are crazy. Can you post a single link where they even hinted at wanting to ban black people and women from colleges? That is such an egregious accusation that you need more than just that they took down a page about a black guy. |
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| ▲ | cess11 a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | Might have been a mistake to let some of them turn into real estate hedge funds. |
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| ▲ | CaptWillard a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Not sure when you graduated, but I've seen a complete inversion. Much like 90s rockers, they now rage exclusively on behalf of the machine. |
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| ▲ | JKCalhoun a day ago | parent | next [-] | | 1990, FWIW. | |
| ▲ | techpineapple a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | maeln a day ago | parent | next [-] | | Well I think that is the point. The university now are rolling over, not protecting their student. | |
| ▲ | dingaling a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | SauciestGNU a day ago | parent | next [-] | | First we're not allowed to call the detention camps "concentration camps" because there aren't ovens, now we can't call them "disappearances" because they're not getting thrown out of helicopters. Forget that people are getting shipped to a foreign torture slave camp from which nobody has been released with, and with no due process. I think this language policing may be because people don't want to allow opposition to these things, rather than out of honor for the dead. The way to honor the dead is to prevent the circumstances of their deaths from happening again. Which is exactly why we must stand up against the disappearances, the camps, the collaborators, the secret police. | | |
| ▲ | _DeadFred_ a day ago | parent | next [-] | | This is exactly how it went in Russia. First it was, ‘Well, this isn’t that bad.’ Then, ‘Okay, sure, this isn’t great—but it’s not like we need to take action yet.’ And bit by bit, people kept rationalizing, minimizing, delaying—until suddenly it was, ‘Well… we’re f’d.’ That’s why we should speak up now. We’re already at the point where one side is openly arguing that due process isn’t guaranteed by the Constitution—because it's inconvenient. So how many rights do we have to give up before it’s acceptable to call it out? How many norms have to be broken? How many lines crossed? It's not like (other than Elon) they're going to show up in Hugo Boss suits one day and announce 'we have crossed the line to where you can criticize us now'. | | |
| ▲ | LightHugger a day ago | parent [-] | | I agree. But did you stand up against discrimination against innocent people under the banner of DEI? Did you stand up against government directed censorship campaigns on social media? The time to stand up was actually way before the extreme actions of the left inspired this extreme reactionary overcorrection from the right. You're supposed to stand up while you're still in power, not after you've lost it, it's a bit late. I still remember people insisting "but deplatforming works!" as they justified mass censorship of conservatives. Honestly if you have not stood up for the people you politically disagreed with as the noose tightened over the last 10 years you are part of the cause of this terrible over-correction. I can only hope that people start noticing this pattern and the inevitable next "correction" is not so extreme and we get some damping on the seemingly accelerating pendulum back and fourth. | | |
| ▲ | sjsdaiuasgdia a day ago | parent | next [-] | | The government never prevented anyone from speaking. Free speech was not violated when assholes were banned from platforms for being assholes. The owners of those platforms are not the government. https://leftycartoons.com/2018/08/01/i-have-been-silenced/ | | |
| ▲ | exoverito a day ago | parent [-] | | Read the Twitter files. The government was actively involved in censorship. Zuckerberg has also stated the FBI was demanding certain posts be removed / demoted, users shadow banned, etc. The CIA also infiltrates and subverts many organizations and platforms. Wouldn't be surprised if they operate here, they've definitely been manipulating Reddit for at least the past decade. | | |
| ▲ | sjsdaiuasgdia 14 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | You mean the Twitter files, which relied on Matt Taibbi getting the name of a government agency wrong to form the key connection he then turned into a conspiracy? | |
| ▲ | mindslight a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | You wouldn't have to keep referencing a tenuous connection in The Twitter Files (cue: X-Files theme music) if you came around to seeing government and corpos as quite similar creatures on a spectrum of coercion rather than as completely disjoint and disparate things. So called "conservatives" were soooo close to being able to have this realization before they regained the power of the government, vested it all in a unitary execuking, and went back to seeing that extraconstitutional coercion as a feature (like many "progressives" had for ~10 years or so). | | |
| ▲ | LightHugger 17 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yes actually, i've been ranting about this for a long time, sufficiently powerful corporations are a form of government. I'm not conservative though despite being anti-dei so make of that what you will, i think a lot of people on the left are being lumped in with people on the right because we oppose the types of discrimination and racism now popular with the "left". | | |
| ▲ | mindslight 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | Great! It sounds like we're coming from a similar place. I wouldn't describe myself as "on the left" - more of a general libertarian that sees the merits and flaws in both rightist and leftist thinking. I had never voted for a major party in a national election until 2020, after the Republican party went batshit crazy. The reason I judge The Twitter Files as a rightist talking point is that it's trying to pigeonhole the motivation for censorship solely onto the government. If an argument is simply about the coercive power wielded by corporations and governments, you don't need a smoking gun of cooperation/direction to tie the two - seeing them as similar organizations with similar top-down motivations suffices. That evidence is only important if you're aiming for reform using the first amendment (an understandable desire, but the wrong tool for the job), or trying to absolve the corpos as mere victims of the de jure government (delusional). |
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| ▲ | _DeadFred_ a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Yes for the most part. The fact that current 'conservatives' kicked out pretty much all the historical conservatives I know as being not actual conservative/rinos tell us that this isn't about 'conservative' speech but something much, much different that is being labeled as 'conservative' speech when it is not. I was a (hippie) libertarian at one point. Today the party of 'merit' has as their figure head... a nepo baby. They can't even be bothered to pretend to be 'conservative' or 'libertarian' anymore. I don't shop where Confederate flags are sold. Requiring stores I shop at not to celebrate/promote racist anti-american losers by selling Confederate flags isn't me deplatforming anyone (BTW Amazon? Lots of Confederate flags FYI) it's me having standards for how I use my time/attention/money. | |
| ▲ | anon743448 a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | Very different. They were not kidnapped by secret police or held in inhumane conditions in far away jails. |
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| ▲ | breppp a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | because invalid comparisons weaken your argument and make you seem like you are oblivious of truth |
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| ▲ | alamortsubite a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Did you go down to Plaza de Mayo to speak to some of las Madres and ask how they feel about it, or where is your idea coming from? | |
| ▲ | halfnormalform a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The fact that very bad things happened to the Disappeared of Argentina makes me more concerned about the Disappeared of US, not less. | |
| ▲ | techpineapple a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Kidnapped off the streets? I think for “bodies burned in pits” I might prefer “slaughtered” or “butchered”. Disappeared sounds rather light for what we’re currently discussing to my ear. | | |
| ▲ | marcosdumay a day ago | parent [-] | | "Disappeared" does strongly imply that those people are dead, because that's what usually to happen to people that the government decides to kidnap. But then, that's what usually happen to the people that the government decides to kidnap. So the OP's usage is perfectly correct, and the expectation that those people are dead should exist. Including the people that we know that were sent to the concentration camp, because despite nobody claiming it's an extermination camp the leading one does strongly tend to morph into the later. |
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| ▲ | insane_dreamer a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | I agree getting shipped off to a concentration camp ("detention center") without resource to justice is not on par with getting thrown out of a helicopter, but it's starting to get pretty damn close. And Trump is only getting started. If he had 7 years like the Junta did, we might wind up with our own contingent of desaparecidos. |
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| ▲ | Spooky23 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Many universities are more like family offices that operate schools. Columbia is historically one of the biggest slumlords in NYC through their various entities. |
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| ▲ | insane_dreamer a day ago | parent | prev [-] |
| > not the university culture I remember. that's because universities are now businesses first, research institutions second, and academic institutions third |
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| ▲ | red_admiral a day ago | parent | next [-] | | This point gets to the heart of the matter. The more I look into it, everything else seems downstream from this. | |
| ▲ | dudinax 20 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | And yet the US has some of the best universities in the world academically. | | |
| ▲ | bdangubic 20 hours ago | parent [-] | | it absolutely does not. you pay for paper and the network. the education, except at few rare exemptions, is subpar. talk to any asian and european and ask what they think of attending uni in the US :) |
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