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rayiner a day ago

We voted to watch globalism go up in flames! Many of us thought Obama would do it but he turned out to be the consummate globalist.

Israel/Palestine is a unique situation, I’ll give you that. But I don’t think we must inexorably be “Team America: World Police.” I think our commitment to propping up the so-called “rules based international order” really is in service of free trade.

bigyabai a day ago | parent [-]

America's commitment is absolutely arbitrary. There is no reason America has to defend the First Island Chain, the bases in Guam, Pakistan and Poland. We don't have to base troops near Israel or Iran, we don't need to install tripwire brigades near places of international importance. China is happy to take over for America - they've certainly got a fast-growing Navy and the commitment to deploying carrier groups abroad.

Look - I don't really see China or America as the "good guy", you won't scare me (or most liberals) by suggesting a draw-down of American forces abroad. But, any casual wargamer will tell you that this has consequences. If America gives up our hard-power military installations and forfeits our attempts at soft-power economic expansion, absolutely nothing stops China from taking America's seat at the table. If you want that, fine, but I would argue that it is an obvious problem for America's own stability and accountability abroad. We cannot make our money exporting software in a world where we can't import the best hardware.

> Israel/Palestine is a unique situation, I’ll give you that.

No, it is outright proof that your "warmonger" characterization is invariably false. The warmongers aren't the globalists, by some measures the people trying to stop infinite war are the globalists. We've tried ceasefires, treaties, negotiations and more, every time it gets interrupted by Israel. We refuse to punish them, and the motivation for censuring discontent is entirely nationalist.