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▲ lurk2 5 days ago

> Things are changing and they're changing fast.

What has changed?

▲pacomerh 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

Immigration policies are way stricter now, and they're leaving people out. Also related, some countries are issuing warnings for people traveling to the US. https://travelnoire.com/europe-us-travel-advisory

▲lurk2 5 days ago | parent [-]

> Immigration policies are way stricter now

Do you have any evidence of that? Have there been changes in legislation, specific directives issued?

> some countries are issuing warnings for people traveling to the US

In the case of Germany, it was emphasized that the change was not a travel warning, but instead a travel advisory [0]. Here are a few advisories from Canada, accessed 2025-04-02:

Germany: Exercise a high degree of caution in Germany due to the threat of terrorism. https://travel.gc.ca/destinations/germany

France: Exercise a high degree of caution in France due to the elevated threat of terrorism. https://travel.gc.ca/destinations/france

Italy: Exercise a high degree of caution in Italy due to the threat of terrorism. https://travel.gc.ca/destinations/italy

The State Department has a similar advisory on traveling to the UK:

> Country Summary: Terrorist groups continue plotting possible attacks in the United Kingdom. Terrorists may attack with little or no warning, targeting tourist locations, transportation hubs, markets/shopping malls, local government facilities, hotels, clubs, restaurants, places of worship, parks, major sporting and cultural events, educational institutions, airports, and other public areas. There is also a risk of isolated violence by dissident groups in Northern Ireland, focused primarily on police and military targets.

I will look at anything specific you have on hand that you feel merits attention, but I know that in the case of the German advisory, it was just updated to reflect that possessing a visa was not a guarantee of entry. So far as I know this did not come about as a result of change in policy. While the Trump administration has done a lot of chest-thumping on immigration, I haven't seen any indication that these sorts of refusals and detentions are unprecedented; they just seem to be receiving more media attention. In this instance, there were three high profile cases of Germans being refused entry and / or detained, which resulted in the advisory.

[0]: https://www.newsweek.com/germany-issues-travel-warning-us-20... ("But they also stressed that this change does not count as an official travel warning.")

▲foogazi 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

> What has changed?

From the freaking title: “Tech companies are telling immigrant employees on visas not to leave the U.S.”

▲lurk2 5 days ago | parent [-]

Can you point to any specific policy changes or case studies?

▲TylerE 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

That the administration thinks they just just drag people into vans and ship them off to a foreign prison?

▲lurk2 5 days ago | parent [-]

> That the administration thinks they just just drag people into vans and ship them off to a foreign prison?

Can you point to a specific instance where this has occurred, and what laws you believe were broken? I'm not qualified to say if the El Salvador detention facilities are legal or not, but my understanding is that ICE has always had the authority to arrest illegal immigrants, and that a potential penalty for illegal entry is imprisonment.

See: 8 U.S. Code § 1325 - Improper entry by alien

> (a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts

> Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1325

▲dragonwriter 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

> Can you point to a specific instance where this has occurred,

All of the removals to El Salvador (before those were halted by judicial order) premised on the improper invocation (because there has been no invasion of the US by a foreign state) of the Alien Enemies Act, who had neither deportation hearings nor criminal trials.

> and what laws you believe were broken?

The 1st (because the actual basis was often protected speech unrelated to the asserted premise of removal), 5th (because of denial of due process), 8th (because of conditions in the prison where they are sent), and 13th (because the prison involves involuntary servitude, and they were condemned to it without a criminal conviction) Amendments, as well as the Alien Enemies Act, whose requirements were not faithfully applied.

> my understanding is that ICE has always had the authority to arrest illegal immigrants, and that a potential penalty for illegal entry is imprisonment.

ICE has always had authority to detail alleged illegal immigrants. Deportation for illegal presence has an administrative process which was not followed in these cases, imprisonment for illegal entry (which is not implied by illegal presence) requires a criminal conviction.

▲lurk2 5 days ago | parent [-]

> The 1st (because the actual basis was often protected speech unrelated to the asserted premise of removal)

This sounds like you are talking about the students who were detained and deported. Were any of them sent to El Salvador? My understanding is that they had their student visas revoked on the basis of 8 USC 1182(a)(3)(C)(i):

> An alien whose presence or activities in the United States the Secretary of State has reasonable ground to believe would have potentially serious adverse foreign policy consequences for the United States is deportable.

I don't know the specifics of the cases pertaining to the students, but from a plain reading this doesn't seem altogether unreasonable. I think it's obvious that this is being done at the behest of Israel, but it doesn't seem explicitly illegal.

> 5th (because of denial of due process) [...] 8th (because of conditions in the prison where they are sent) [...] and 13th (because the prison involves involuntary servitude, and they were condemned to it without a criminal conviction)

I couldn't find clarification as to what section of the prison the deportees are being held in. I understand that the prison is set up such that lower-level offenders are required to work or study almost every waking hour of the day, whereas gang members are segregated and not permitted to leave their cells at all. The key issue here seems to be due process, which is in turn dependent on a court ruling on the application of the Alien Sedition acts being improper.

▲clydethefrog 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Just be aware that if you accept that non-citizens have no right to due process, you are accepting that citizens have no right to due process. All the government has to do is claim that you are not a citizen; without due process you have no chance to prove the contrary. [1]

[1] https://bsky.app/profile/timothysnyder.bsky.social/post/3ll5...

▲lurk2 5 days ago | parent [-]

> All the government has to do is claim that you are not a citizen; without due process you have no chance to prove the contrary.

Did any of the people who were deported claim to have been citizens?

▲TylerE 4 days ago | parent [-]

How would we know if they did? Many were given no access to legal representation.

▲hackable_sand 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What a lazy game you are playing.

▲foogazi 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Are you going to Sealion this ?

▲lurk2 5 days ago | parent [-]

> Sealioning is a type of trolling or harassment that consists of pursuing people with relentless requests for evidence, often tangential or previously addressed, while maintaining a pretense of civility and sincerity ("I'm just trying to have a debate"), and feigning ignorance of the subject matter.

Read the site guidelines. You are breaking several of them.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html