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I don’t think your hypothetical is crazy at all. I learned this weekend that much of my close family, who were pretty normal conservatives just a couple of years ago, now believe that all legal and illegal immigrants have been let into the country by jws to eliminate the white race. And that’s not an exaggeration at all. Like I’m mincing words to make them look less bad.

My family is not the down and out, they never supported these things because they have financial stressors. If anything the economy of the last 20 years has been too good to them. They are relatively wealthy and have stable lives and good jobs. They listen to too many alt right podcasts and are too deep down the Facebook hole.

Two weeks ago I was relatively optimistic. Now I’m really scared, how do you cope with loved one’s who believe these things? We’re off to a really dark place.

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wruza 2 days ago | parent [-]

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watwut 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Yeah it does change thing things whether your rhetoric involves "eliminating white race" fear and threat of Jewish.

Person you responded to found out his relatives are full on nazi. That is what it means. And that means violence, intentional cruelty and loss of freedom for those around.

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wruza 2 days ago | parent [-]

I see the reasoning. But assuming that the cultural threat is real for them, how would you state this problem without being a nazi? Is this possible in your "set of axioms"?

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watwut 2 days ago | parent [-]

"Cultural threat" is not correct descriptor of "elimination of white race". They were talking about race war, you are trying to find words that make it non fascist. So, you will need to be precise about what your euphemism of "real cultural threat" means. If it means that they perceive Jews as the reason for "elimination of white race" as they said, then it is just being Nazi with all the logical consequences.

Some people are Nazi and that is that. The eternal wish to reframe far right nazi as something else and non-threatening regardless of what these people do, say or push for amounts to lying to oneself.

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wruza a day ago | parent | next [-]

I guess I got the answer then.

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akimbostrawman a day ago | parent | prev [-]

They did not mention a war. You can eliminate a race without a war or violence.

	▲	watwut a day ago \| parent [-]
		No you cant.

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NoMoreNicksLeft 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

>If the goal is not to eliminate the white race (which some left figures actually promoted as I see it from the outside, so why you even wonder?) then what does that change? Unnatural/unassimilated immigrantion is a real concern for those who value their cultural climate. What's wrong with having these concerns or values?

About 5 or 6 months ago, here on HN, there was a headline from a major/reputable news source that said the Canadian government wanted a population of 100 million (when they currently have 30ish million, and fertility rates that will see their population shrink instead of grow). Whether there are any racist designs on the white race or not, it's clear that governments consider all of us completely substitutable/expendable, and they will replace us (almost certainly regardless of our skin color, come to that). No one's trying to hide this, it isn't a secret. Very few are so dumb as to not realize that something's up. So whenever anyone tries to debunk the various conspiracy theories about X replacement it can only sound like lies.