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I don't understand why you're downvoted for this question.

What's wrong with Telegram is the privacy story. It's not end-to-end encrypted, meaning that the server can read the content of your messages.

I hear that Telegram has a great UX, which makes it popular. But in terms of security... it's wanting.

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maqp 2 days ago | parent [-]

Telegram is a joke in professional cryptography circles https://x.com/matthew_d_green/status/726428912968982529

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palata 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

To me it's just not an encrypted messaging app. I don't even get all the discussions about it...

It's a bit like if we analysed the E2EE guarantees of email over and over again. Every year, multitudes of people would publish a post explaining how email is "badly encrypted". Well, email is not E2EE, period. If you want E2EE, use a system that has E2EE.

	▲	maqp a day ago \| parent [-]
		That would be fine unless Telegram 1) Didn't say it was "Heavily encrypted" on its front page. 2) Didn't claim it was more private than WhatsApp which is always end-to-end encrypted with Signal protocol. 3) Didn't claim secret chats were somehow adequate.

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emptysongglass a day ago | parent | prev [-]

You're again linking to old critiques of an old protocol no longer in use. Can you stop doing that, please?

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maqp a day ago | parent [-]

No. I will not stop pointing out the hubris and nepotism in the company. No real changes have been made in who's designing security for Telegram, so their past is their future. Incompetent people doing crap job.

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emptysongglass a day ago | parent [-]

Except to the protocol, which you continue to post aged posts identifying vulnerabilities that have nothing to do with the rewritten version. That is not honest presentation of the facts.

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maqp 21 hours ago | parent [-]

>That is not honest presentation of the facts.

They have f'd up in the past, and since they still employ the same incompetent nepo-hirings, they will continue to f up in the future.

Until they own their mistakes and E2EE everything, like they should have done in the first place, I will keep pointing out their incompetence, past and present.

You do not get to rewrite their history by telling people to shut up.

	▲	emptysongglass 16 hours ago \| parent [-]
		That's all well and good, but be truthful in your presentation.