▲ | jhp123 2 days ago | ||||||||||||||||
let me ask you a question. Richard Nixon had a special team under his direct control, they're popularly known as the white house plumbers. He asked this team to engage in activities not directly authorized by congress including various wiretaps and break-ins. Eventually these activities were discovered, it became a scandal and ended his Presidency. Do you think Nixon did something wrong by creating this team? If not, then we have an answer for why most people see this whole thing differently from you — most people see the Nixon presidency as clear overreach and abuse of power. If so, what is the significant difference between Nixon's plumbers and the DOGE team, in your view? | |||||||||||||||||
▲ | ganoushoreilly 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||
Were the "white house plumbers" operating in the clear? On a defined task that was campaigned on? Working with legal as well as existing employees within each organization (yes I get they were simply stealing info)? This was campaigned on, The election was won. In this instance the outcome is what the majority elected. You don't have to like it, some may change their mind, but this was made clear as a goal from day 1. I've also not been cagey in my support. I fully support what is going on. If you see overreach follow the processes in place and litigate. That's how the country works. There's two distinct issues people have here, the "WHO" and the "WHAT" no one questions the "WHY", because no one can stand here and say we don't need to have cuts across the board. Ignoring the "WHO", the "WHAT" so far has been pretty clear. It's things that socially are supported by one party and not the other. This is the outcome of an election and it's going to keep going until someone proves they are outside of their authorities and the courts agree. It sucks to have a narrative perspective for years and then see everything supported under that narrative cut back. I get the emotions, but ultimately none of that matters if we can't afford to keep the proverbial lights on. | |||||||||||||||||
▲ | ModernMech 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||
Nixon had a 25% approval after he left office. I think there's a baseline of about 20-30% of people who are pro-authoritarian, and they don't really want to admit it yet, but they're fine with their team doing whatever they want, as long as they get their way. | |||||||||||||||||
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▲ | cryptonector a day ago | parent | prev [-] | ||||||||||||||||
Trump is not directing "wiretaps" or "break-ins" into entities outside the executive branch of the federal government. |