| ▲ | ryandrake 2 days ago |
| "This Guy" is everywhere. People fall for scams all the time, and as a society, we are failing to educate them with the sense to sniff them out. That, and a regulatory environment where everything goes, means that people of all walks of life are getting suckered every day. Only a matter of time that one of those people happened to be a small local bank manager with access to millions. If it wasn't a crypto scam, it would be a lottery scam, or a job offer scam, or romance/pigbutchering scam, or a tech support phone scam, or a meatspace MLM scam like Amway and Herbalife. There is no shortage of ways gullible, financially-illiterate people can be separated from their money. |
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| ▲ | intreble 2 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| A recent post from a crypto reporter gave a good write up of how he almost got himself scammed [1]. It sounds like it followed the exact same script, even down to the Aunt with a crypto trading firm. The lengths that the scammers went to in order to prepare him for the scam was impressive. It gives some personal insight into how even those who should know better find themselves involved. [1] https://unchainedcrypto.com/how-i-almost-got-slaughtered-in-... |
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| ▲ | mvdtnz 2 days ago | parent [-] | | I mean the job of the scammer is not a difficult one for guys like this (and almost certainly Mr Hanes). Use a picture of an attractive woman and make them believe they're about to get their dick wet and you're 95% of the way there. |
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| ▲ | jldugger 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > People fall for scams all the time, and as a society, we are failing to educate them with the sense to sniff them out. IDK. It's one thing to fall for a scam and lose all your money. It's another thing to, after all that, go to your board of directors, ask permission to invest bank money in the scam, and when they say "We don't feel comfortable with this" tell them "Too late, I already invested the company's money in this for you." This is not a financially illiterate person, but someone who seemingly knew he needed board approval for an investment at scale, yet simultaneously ignored it and assumed he would be given it when asking retroactively. There's a great many other failures of control here, like staff disobeying policy when he told them to. And perhaps it's my family history speaking here, but I suspect this guy has an undiagnosed mental illness (bipolar?). |
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| ▲ | devchix a day ago | parent [-] | | Have you seen The Tinder Swindler? A woman borrowed $250,000 USD from 9 separate banks to give money to a man within months of their meeting. I don't know how one gets to that place. |
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| ▲ | JKCalhoun 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Agree with your points. But I think we're unlikely to see tens of millions of dollars in an Amway, Herbalife hustle. |
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| ▲ | witherwentwest 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > People fall for scams all the time, and as a society, we are failing to educate them with the sense to sniff them out. One of the companies I work with recently started looking at partnering with this company: https://scamnetic.com/ I like the idea of providing better education about scams to consumers, but this company gives me some pretty weird vibes. I wonder if we're on the cusp of another security theater boom similar to the plethora of companies that sprung up around identity theft and mostly seemed to exist to allow companies to mitigate any responsibility for their poor data and security practices. |
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| ▲ | ToucanLoucan 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| This exactly. And Crypto's biggest "innovation" by far was giving us an entirely new unregulated financial market with zero consumer protections that included, as a bonus, the trappings and added complexity of software and let con men the world over dust off every money scheme from the last hundred years and do a fresh round. Edit: Further, "education" shouldn't even be a factor here. You should not need to protect yourself from being scammed. Taking advantage of people's trust and stealing their money should be illegal, the offenders should be punished, and the victims made whole. There is no reason in a civilized society to permit financial crimes, which is what this shit is. Stealing is fucking stealing, whether you take something from a store, whether a bank issues bullshit fees, whether an employer doesn't pay fair wages, whether a con man tricks you into buying ape pictures. |
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| ▲ | Animats 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | > You should not need to protect yourself from being scammed. Under the current administration, you need to protect yourself far more than before. - The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau is gone. - The Justice Department will focus on "violent crime", even though that's mostly the job of local law enforcement and the FBI doesn't handle 911 calls. In terms of dollars, white collar crime is far bigger than violent crime. (Burglary in the US is way down, about a fifth of what it was in 1990.) - The administration plan is to move crypto enforcement from the Securities and Exchange Commission to the Commodity Futures Trading Commission. Heavy payoffs by the crypto industry have enabled this. [1] It's called "deregulation", suckers. Open season on Americans. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/06/technology/crypto-industr... | |
| ▲ | beeflet a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The difference between theft and a scam is that a scam requires participation from the victim based on a false premise, whereas theft requires no participation from the victim. >whether a bank issues bullshit fees, whether an employer doesn't pay fair wages, whether a con man tricks you into buying ape pictures. So basically giving someone a bad deal is therefore theft? This isn't a principled idea to hold, it is pretty much a slippery slope to call any transaction you don't like theft afterwards. One advantage of cryptocurrency is that it prevents parties from "renegotiating" deals like this after they've made them. Fraud is pretty uncommon on say, the silk road or something for the same reason it's uncommon on ebay or craigslist: when consumers have to actively consider the trust networks they are using, the market becomes more transparent and trustworthy. When you defer to some arbitrary, opaque authority to settle transactions, that's when you get situations like this. | | |
| ▲ | ToucanLoucan a day ago | parent [-] | | > So basically giving someone a bad deal is therefore theft? This isn't a principled idea to hold, it is pretty much a slippery slope to call any transaction you don't like theft afterwards. It's not about whether or not I personally like it, it's about whether or not it has the value it's ascribed to. NFTs are murkier in that some people believe they have value, and I guess that's fair. I think it's demonstrably false, but I doubt a person who believes they have value would consider an NFT purchase fraudulent, and therefore would not pursue it. If however a given person was suckered into buying an NFT by someone, and later realized it was worthless, I think that's absolutely something that at least bears considering in terms of it being fraud, in a court of law. I don't see how it's different from any other situation where a given individual has sold worthless assets. > One advantage of cryptocurrency is that it prevents parties from "renegotiating" deals like this after they've made them. One huge disadvantage is that on any cryptocurrency with any decent amount of traffic as a currency is that the value of it shifts wildly from the beginning to end of the transaction. And that can bite either party to the transaction, which is why the only currencies that see substantial use as a currency are the ones with low adoption rates. It's basically pointless to accept, for example, Etherium as payment unless you yourself are speculating on it's future value. But that's not a currency then, not in any normies' definition. A hundred dollars is worth the same today, for all intents and purposes, as it was a year ago. Plus or minus a few percent for inflation. The $4 you plunk down for a fancy coffee is not going to be worth $0.50 or $400 by the time the barista hands you the cup, otherwise no one would use money. > When you defer to some arbitrary, opaque authority to settle transactions, that's when you get situations like this. Cryptocurrency defers to the blockchain, and the various software that interacts with it. This is literally no difference to deferring to any other centralized institution to form trust. The only difference is the layman has no way to seek justice from a blockchain. | | |
| ▲ | beeflet a day ago | parent [-] | | I think the volatility of the currency is caused by a lack of it's use in real markets, not the other way around. In practice, the volatility isn't that big of a problem on an individual level. |
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| ▲ | plagiarist 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yep. Much of cryptocurrency content is just "Discover Why Financial Regulations Exist" speedruns. |
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