Scenario: You give someone $40B to feed people, and $1B actually feeds them while $39B vanishes into overhead and ideological reprogramming. Then they tell you they need more. If this is success, what does failure look like?

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wat10000 4 months ago | parent | next [-]

> overhead and ideological reprogramming

I despair at the thought process that crams these two things together.

2.5% overhead would be really good. Most charities don’t come close.

“Ideological reprogramming,” whatever that actually means, would be completely different.

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jpcom 4 months ago | parent | next [-]

It looks like USAID had 4B of the 40B budget actually reach endpoint users, which would make the overhead closer to 90% [1], not 97.5% like I originally estimated.

[1] https://chatgpt.com/share/67b7a0c4-bf48-8011-9997-41b350dd0b...

	▲	wwtw 4 months ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Reading this gpt answer: > In fiscal year 2022, nearly 90% of USAID's expenditures were allocated to international contracting partners How are you figuring that none of that is reaching endpoint users? E.g. I imagine the International Red Cross could be such a partner.
	▲	wat10000 4 months ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Seriously? Not even your own linked conversation supports this assertion, even though you tried to lead it there.

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jpcom 4 months ago | parent | prev [-]

It's called the US Agency for International Development. Everyone seems to think "AID" is a word here. It is not, it is an acronym.

	▲	wat10000 4 months ago \| parent [-]
		OK, I'm aware, not sure what that has to do with anything here.

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troupo 4 months ago | parent | prev | next [-]

And you have the proof for these numbers, or are they pulled out of Elon's behind?

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Ray20 4 months ago | parent [-]

I have my own experience. As a non-American, I know a lot of hungry people. And I have never heard of any help for them from USAID. And who do you think received help from USAID out of all those I have encountered and ever heard about? Only left-leaning democrat's shield "independent" journalists, whose job mostly consist of ideological reprogramming and who now scream all over twitter how Trump destroys their lives. ONLY.

So yes, I don't have any numbers, but I'm used to trusting my own eyes. And what I see (on this particular issue) is way more consistent with what Musk says than with what his opponents say.

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troupo 4 months ago | parent [-]

> And I have never heard of any help for them from USAID

Personal anecdotes are never a good proof of anything.

> So yes, I don't have any numbers, but I'm used to trusting my own eyes.

So you don't believe in viruses bacteria to name just a few things you can't see with your own eyes?

USAID had many programs, only a number which where about helping the poor, and it's possible those didn't specifically target your country.

E.g. between the poor and hungry people in Moldova (my own native country) and in Sudan USAID would probably chose those in Sudan (what with war and genocide and...). And they might chose to support businesses in Moldova instead (and they did).

I'm not saying it's a perfect program devoid of any corruption. What I'm saying I can come up with as many bogus numbers, and with as many personal anecdotes as the next guy.

And Elon sure as hell resists any attempts to shed light on his activities and claims.

> Only left-leaning democrat's shield "independent" journalists, whose job mostly consist of ideological reprogramming and who now scream all over twitter how Trump destroys their lives. ONLY.

Do you think they do that because they lost funding, or because, say, China or Russia stepped into the void with literally the same support programs?

	▲	Ray20 4 months ago \| parent [-]
		>Personal anecdotes are never a good proof of anything. Obviously. But when such anecdotes are consistent with the position of the democratically elected president of USA... What specific reasons do I have to not trust to MY eyes? >So you don't believe in viruses bacteria to name just a few things you can't see with your own eyes? No, where did you get that from? >USAID had many programs, only a number which where about helping the poor, and it's possible those didn't specifically target your country. Got it. My leftist country were targeted by programs, that promote democrat's left-leaning agenda. Helping poor and hungry - it is for others countries. It’s even surprising, why anyone would hinder such an amazing organization. >Do you think they do that because they lost funding, or because, say, China or Russia stepped into the void with literally the same support programs? How are you imagine this? I mean if China or Russia is ready to pay to promote the idea that Trump is the greatest evil on the planet, then maybe.

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