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filoleg 7 hours ago

> And furthermore, why is it okay that it's collected AND owned by a company based in a country not subject to the rule of law?

Because I, as an adult, decided that I am ok with sharing my personal data within their app in exchange for getting to use the app.

As long as I am not sharing personal data of other people (who haven’t consented to it like I did) or some government/work/etc info that I have no right to share, I am not sure how this is anyone else’s business.

P.S. I would somewhat get your argument if it wasn’t TikTok but something that could theoretically affect the country’s infrastructure or safety (e.g., tax preparation software or a money-managing app or an MFA app for secure logins). But all personal data on me that TikTok has is purely my own, has nothing critical at all (all it knows is what i watch and do within the app), and has zero effect on anyone or anything else.

gpm 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> As long as I am not sharing personal data of other people (who haven’t consented to it like I did)

The ruling mentions that users are in fact doing this.

> (Draft National Security Agreement noting that TikTok collects [...] and device and network data (including device contacts and calendars)). If, for example, a user allows TikTok access to the user’s phone contact list to connect with others on the platform, TikTok can access “any data stored in the user’s contact list,” including names, contact information, contact photos, job titles, and notes. 2 id., at 659.

I also don't believe that most adults using this app really know how much data TikTok collects. It isn't just "what i watch and do within the app". A fuller quote from the above that doesn't just focus on data involving other people is

> The platform collects extensive personal information from and about its users. See H. R. Rep., at 3 (Public reporting has suggested that TikTok’s “data collection practices extend to age, phone number, precise location, internet address, device used, phone contacts, social network connections, the content of private messages sent through the application, and videos watched.”); 1 App. 241 (Draft National Security Agreement noting that TikTok collects user data, user content, behavioral data (including “keystroke patterns and rhythms”), and device and network data (including device contacts and calenders)).

I also don't particularly believe that the US has to allow espionage just because the government spying got the individuals being spied on to agree to it.

And why have we forgotten about kids?

The law in question doesn't forbid you, or any other adult, or even any child for that matter, from knowingly installing the app. It forbids companies from assisting in wide scale espionage. You can still install the app if you want, the US companies just can't help operate the espionage app.

ethbr1 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That's where scale changes kind.

I'd have no problem either, if TikTok were only collecting data on you.

I wouldn't have much of a problem, if TikTok were collecting data on x0,000s of people.

To me, it rises to the level of security-sensitive when information is collected on enough people that there's a high likelihood of people in future sensitive positions (military, government, legal) having had their information collected historically.

One can't put the genie back in the bottle when a competitor government can see a new president elected... and pull up a profile of what they swiped from 10-40.

That scenario impacts not just you (the future president), but everyone you have power or influence over.

And given the Chinese government's documented willingness to coerce people in foreign countries (i.e. the "not police" police stations), betting they won't use that power seems shortsighted...

JumpCrisscross 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> I, as an adult, decided that I am ok with sharing my personal data within their app in exchange for getting to use the app

You, as an adult, may also choose to drunk drive. The country is bigger than single people. Security threats are collective.