| ▲ | stcroixx 9 hours ago |
| Do you dispute the persecution of Uyghurs in China? The UN, US Dept. of State, House of Commons in the UK and Canada, Dutch Parliament, French National Assembly, New Zealand, Belgium, and the Czech Republic? This is not a government to be friends with. It's time we go our separate ways from the CCP. |
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| ▲ | ppqqrr 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| I do not dispute it (in fact if you have good sources on the latest goings-on about this issue I’d appreciate it). But to say that it’s cause enough to excommunicate the CCP and go to war… is hypocrisy of the highest order, when we ourselves clearly fund and condone massive atrocities as long as it’s someone else’s hands. Road to peace is not paved with blood, do not be confused. Peace comes from boring communication work: talking, arguing, hashing the problems out, day in and day out. Shutting the door is the first step to a tragedy, always. |
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| ▲ | stcroixx 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | I don't advocate war, but I'd prefer a relationship similar to Russia or North Korea. No trade whatsoever. No trade with nations that trade with China. | | |
| ▲ | ppqqrr 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Well, to a large extent, the reason Russia and North Korea are hopeless backwaters ruled by petty dictators and filled with suffering… is precisely because nobody would trade with or invest in them. And when they predictably fall into dysfunction and despair, they end up threatening everyone’s peace. You reap what you sow. We need to do better. | | |
| ▲ | azan_ 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | That's completely wrong. All of Europe heavily traded with Russia, and Germany even wanted to base their green transformation plan primarily on trade with Russia. | | |
| ▲ | ppqqrr 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | By which point, Russia was already in the hands of a dictator. Too late and too little, as they say. But yes, obviously, every country deserves a large share of blame for its own situation. Either way - even if I concede this, my point stands that starving nations and denying them development isn't a great long term strategy for peace. |
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| ▲ | seanmcdirmid 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > No trade with nations that trade with China. You do realize that many countries are going to do the math and pick China right? You would basically be cutting us off from at least half of the world, and underground trade would flourish to china’s benefit. Russia and North Korea don’t really make anything we need (well, Russian titanium is nice), but more important, they don’t provide much value to other countries (Russian oil and gas, and that’s it). But China? Ya, good luck with that. | |
| ▲ | 8note 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | in october, the US did >$300M of trade with russia. looks like trade with NK is quite small, but non-zero as well ( https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5790.html ) i imagine its much larger for both if you include bitcoin transactions |
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| ▲ | krapp 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| My person in deity do I need to go down the list of genocides and atrocities the US has either participated in or funded in its long and bloodsoaked history? It's a long list but it ends with the billions of dollars in weapons, aid and personnel we sent to help Israel try to wipe out the Palestinians. This isn't an attempt at whataboutism here, no one is denying that what China is doing to the Uyghurs is terrible, but the US and its allies have no moral high ground to stand on at all in this regard. |
