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LeifCarrotson 10 hours ago

Vaguely like that.

Ostensibly, the US government honors the 1st and 4th amendments, and only restricts speech on the platform in rare instances where that speech is likely to incite or produce imminent lawless action, and only issues warrants for private data which are of limited scope for evidence where the government has probable cause that a crime has occurred.

The accusation is that the CCP and Bytedance have a much more intimate relationship than that, censoring (or compelling) speech and producing data for mere political favors. Whether or not this is true of Facebook's relationship with US political entities is up for debate.

34679 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The only reason it isn't widely known that social media platforms in the US share information with the government regularly is because it's illegal for said platforms to disclose those requests. It used to be that platforms would have canaries, similar to a dead man's switch, that would be removed once they were subject to these types of requests. None of them do it any more because the requests are commonplace.

gunian 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Cross the US government and see how fast that turns into shadow bans, your loved ones getting tortured, someone else working with your SSN, dummy up and fish, imprisoned algorithmically etc you won't even have to cross them just be guilty by association

No horse in this race as both horses hate and will trample me but just saying lol

glenstein 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Of all the arguments in all directions, by far the least compelling have been the ones that attempt to both-sides equivalences between the U.S. and China on question of free speech and democratic norms. It's not that there's no offenses on the U.S. side, it's just the game of whatabouting reeks of JV debate team sophistry that is very discouraging to engage with.

The single party domination, the great firewall, the authoritarian surveillance are without comparison in scale and I think that has to be among the explicitly agreed upon facts that sanity check any conversation on this topic.

Edit since I can't reply to the comment below: all the examples mentioned below appear to involve the very equivocation between differences in scale that I spent this whole comment talking about, or attempt to equate past vs present, or are too vague to even understand the nature of the comparison, and collectively are so disorganized and low effort that they are degrading the focus and quality of the conversation as a whole.

gunian 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Ughyhur Camps vs Reservations/Slavery/Jim Crow/Internment Camps/Operation Paperclip

lingchi vs waterboarding/black sites

NSA vs Great Firewall

provincial one party system vs micro nation based two party system both favoring the rich

TikTok vs Instagram/YouTube

when both sides consider you sub human kind of easy to compare them without emotion :)

but truly curious where have the facts been misrepresented? I would expect this on Reddit but not on a site like HN tbh

gunian 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

lol @ the edit could not be more specific and factual than this I thought HN was about facts

if any false equivalences were made or scales underestimated prove it with data to further the conversation not some hand wavy righteous comment that's for Reddit as they say :D