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sircastor 10 hours ago

My wife and I are split on this, though neither of us are regular TikTok users.

I keep coming across elected officials who are apparently briefed on something about TikTok, and they decide there’s a reasonable threat regarding the CCP or some such. The idea that the CCP could drive our national conversation somehow (still murky) bothers me.

My wife feels like this is the US Government trying to shut down a communication and news delivery tool.

While I don’t agree with her, I don’t think she’s wrong. It seems all the folks who “have it on good authority” that this is a dangerous propaganda tool, can’t share what “it” is.

JumpCrisscross 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

If the President had over Meta and X the sort of control the CCP has over TikTok, Instagram and Twitter would be banned in most countries. The only reason this is debated so much here is we’re (in my opinion correctly) very cautious about free speech.

Bukhmanizer 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The owner of X is in the government.

JumpCrisscross 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> owner of X is in the government

One, he's not. Two, there is a massive difference between the owner of X being in the government and the government being in X. Three, the owner of every media platform is not in the government.

thehappypm 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

In what way? He's basically just a friend of Trump

Bukhmanizer 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

In the most literal way possible.

mplewis 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Department_of_Government_Effic...

JumpCrisscross 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Not in the government. Analgous to the Federalist Society.

thehappypm 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

This does not exist.

mattrick 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The owner of Twitter/X is about to be in the president’s cabinet. And the owner of Meta is clearly cozying up to the incoming administration with their new “anti-woke” policies.

jayzalowitz 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I believe theres a related argument that congress might be making here, idk.

Bjartr 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> The idea that the CCP could drive our national conversation somehow (still murky) bothers me.

Even if all the CCP can do is modify how often some videos and comments show up to users on tik tok, there's a chance that level of control could have been enough to instigate the whole jump to red note we're seeing. After all, the suggestion originated within tik tok itself as the videos talking about it (and the comments praising it) went viral. Sure everyone was primed to do something with the deadline approaching, but it's entirely possible that the red note trend isn't an organically viral one, but a pre-planned and well executed attempt to throw a wrench in the works.

red note's infrastructure seems to have had no problems absorbing millions of new users at the drop of a hat, cloud scaling is good, but that kind of explosive growth in mere days, when unexpected, often results in some visible hiccups. Maybe the engineers are just that good, or maybe they had a heads up that it'd be happening.

Utter speculation on my part, but I've found it interesting I've not come across anyone else mention the possibility.

natdempk 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> It seems all the folks who “have it on good authority” that this is a dangerous propaganda tool, can’t share what “it” is.

No need to speculate too hard here, there are plenty of examples of censorship on TikTok: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_by_TikTok

Censorship is a form of propaganda, and even the very obvious/reported examples we've seen reported over the years are pretty bad. And you have to assume that there is more going on than is actually reported/noticed, especially in subtler ways. It's also just obvious it's happening in the sense that the Chinese government has ultimate control over TikTok.

dmix 9 hours ago | parent [-]

I tried to find a "Censorship by Youtube" wiki but couldn't find one. Only one documenting the censorship OF youtube https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_YouTube.

I don't see a section on their main wiki either, even though YT is pretty notorious for deleting stuff, even political stuff https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YouTube

ok123456 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They make up lies that they tell them in the SCIF.

It's just theater.

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